Face it, Kerry will lose to Bush.

[ludwigb]

How much more evidence do Kerry supporters need? How about this latest whopper?

"Real Democrats don't raise taxes on the middle class," Kerry argues.

Look, I respect the guy and everything, but come on! What an ****ing putz! Do you realize the GOP will use this soundbyte against us should Dean be nominated? Besides, Kerry knows full well that Dean is considering middle class tax cuts along with repealing the idiotic Bush tax cuts.

Kerry will be seen by the non-pol.junkie population as boring, indesicive, and spacey--I don't understand how anyone who has heard him speak can come to another conclusion. Bush will clobber him in a debate--simply because Bush is more likable. It's time to look at Dean, Clark, and Edwards--Kerry has had plenty of opportunities to establish himself as the front runner and has proven himself a loser. It's time to stop wasting our time and energy on him--he has about as much a chance of winning as Liebermann.

[BayCityProgressive]

1. I have not yet

decided and I am trying to give everyone a chance but so far the people who have impressed me most are Edwards, Kucinich, Gephardt, Graham.

[Abe Linkman]

2. How is that a whopper?

"Real Democrats don't raise taxes on the middle class," Kerry argues.

Are you saying that YOU believe "real Democrats" SHOULD raise taxes on the middle class?

[el_gato]

3. flamebait

plain and simple

[genius]

4. I guess today the Deanbots are attacking Kerry.

I think Kerry is more fiscally Democrat than Park Avenue Dean. And, as Democrats, we should be proud of Kerry's approach to tax cuts. My middle class family is among those who would be hurt by Dean's middle class payroll tax. Why can't Dean instead raise taxes on the rich? By the way, I'm not supporting Kerry. However, the above post is ridiculous.

[el_gato]

6. more flamebait

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

19. Are they Dean supporters?

Really?

I am beginning to think that something else is afoot...

[JohnKleeb]

20. Yeah most of em are that have beef with Kerry

Again I am a Kucinich supporter yet I defend Kerry like hes mine. Its ironic because my candiate DK opposed IWR and the patriot act yet I dont see Kucinich supporters excluding me giving Kerry a real hard time. We dont like it thats for sure but I think the damage Bush has done to this nation goes beyond the war and Kucinich or Kerry share my ideas on economics than Kucinich and Dean, maybe thats why. Thats just my point though. Odd isnt it but I do defend Kerry because I know hes not what they say about him. He's a good man, and has done more good than harm as senator.

[molly]

22. I will tell you John - I know you are young

but mature beyond your years. Thankyou for that!

[JohnKleeb]

23. I try I really do

I am not even for Kerry but I tell you this I think hes a good man and wouldnt make a bad president, I defend him because despite a few things hes been a very great senator and is nearly good as Ted Kennedy on the issues. I could be a jerk and attack him but Ive looked at his record and I know hes a good guy.

[AWD]

5. No need for flamebait like this

...today's Kerry's day. Let him have it.

Besides, he would beat Bush. But he's got a primary to face first.

No need to attack Kerry like that.

[library_max]

7. "My Candidate Sucks So Bad That I Have To Attack Yours"

All hail CoffeePlease1947! He has come up with the perfect formula for dispelling all these negative campaign threads! All you Dean-bashers, Kerry-bashers, any-Democrat-bashers, please repeat after me: “MY CANDIDATE SUCKS SO BAD THAT I HAVE TO ATTACK YOURS.”

If I were a Bush supporter, I would be ROFLMAO to see all these Democrats ripping each other to pieces. My candidate in the general election is Anybody But Bush. As for the primaries, I haven’t decided yet. Amazing, ain’t it? Considering that the primaries are only six months away.

Come on, ladies and gentlemen! Unity, please! Eyes on the prize! BUCK FUSH!

[renie408]

11. This is really getting old

And not catching on like you may have thought it would.

[library_max]

24. Not one tenth as old

as the endless negative strings about Dean and Kerry. I guess it's easier to run down the strongest opponent than it is to support your choice. But we are killing ourselves for the general election by indulging in this nonsense.

[Old and In the Way]

25. All kinds of ways to disrupt........

who knows what really is in the minds of some who smear one candidate for another? Could they really be supporting their professed choice?

We can only take their word for it....

[Demobrat]

8. So repealing W's tax cuts for the rich= raising taxes on the middle class.

With enemies like Kerry, the Repukes don't need any friends.

[AWD]

9. oops

[onehandle]

10. Is Kerry the Nominee?

Did I miss something? Is Lieberman his running mate?

What about the other candidates? Gephardt, Graham, Kucinich, Moseley Braun and Sharpton.

Are they so perfect that you can't come up with a single criticism about them?

Gosh! Maybe we should pick one of them.

[renie408]

13. PICK EDWARDS!! PICK EDWARDS!!!

YOu didn't mention him, but he is a neato guy!! If you would take a look at him, you would like him, I promise!!!

[AWD]

17. I'd pick anybody...

...that gets the "neato guy" label!

I've said it before, I think Edwards is much like Gore in the 80s...he'll run and lose now, but be the strong contender in a few years. Run, Senator Edwards! Get the experience in it now, and we'll see you in the White House next decade!

No, I'm not bashing...I really believe he'll pull it all together. He just needs a few more years.

BTW, do I have my history right? Gore did run primaries in the 80s???

[genius]

14. Good point.

I'll pick Kucinich.

[cspiguy]

12. kerry joke

A horse walks into the bar and asks for a beer - the bartender gives him one and it sits down.

JFKerry walks into the bar and asks for a beer - the bartender says, "Hey why the long face pal, cheer up" and hands him a beer.

(He got to smile more or end up looking like Dukakis)

[cspiguy]

15. as for Bush clobbering him in a debate

my cocker spaniel is smarter than * but he still beat Gore's semi-boneless ham ass in the three debates. It would have been cruel to watch Clinton and Bush II, tho.

[kang]

21. Actually, Gore couldn't have won those debates

given the incredibly lowered expectations for Bush ("Look the guy can put together coherent sentences...sort of" attitude). Whereas Gore made mucho sense on policy, but had to convince people to like him while not appearing like he's...trying to get people to like him.

[Divernan]

16. ROFLMAO! Bush is more likeable? Only to Repubs!

nt

[mitchtv]

18. bush clobber ANYONE in a debate?????

debate means no script. Someone here is trying to disrupt

[Nicholas_J]

26. ACtually

The latest CNN GALLOP polls has Dean in his first DROP in the polls amd Liberman beating all of the other candidates by a meansure way outside of the margin of error in the polls.

CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. Aug. 25-26, 2003. N=397 Democrats and Democratic leaners nationwide who are registered to vote. MoE ± 5.
.

"Next, I'm going to read a list of people who may be running in the Democratic primary for president in the next election. After I read all the names, please tell me which of those candidates you would be most likely to support for the Democratic nomination for president in the year 2004. . . ."

8/25-26/03 8/4-6/03 7/25-27/03
% % %
Joe Lieberman 23 18 21
Dick Gephardt 13 15 16
Howard Dean 12 15 11
John Kerry 10 12 15
John Edwards 5 5 6
Carol Moseley Braun 5 5 6
Bob Graham 4 5 4
Al Sharpton 4 4 5
Wesley Clark 2 n/a n/a
Dennis Kucinich 1 2 2
Other 2 4 -
No one 7 5 2
No opinion 12 10 12






http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04dem.htm

Out of the top tier candidates, Dean has suppered the largest drop in support. Lieberman a massive increase.

So if Kerry has as good a chance as Liberman, that is good news

[RevolutionStartsNow]

31. Huh?

Dean drops 3 points in a poll with MOE of +/-5, and you suggest this is a large drop in support? Too funny. Kerry dropped 2 points in that same period, does this mean he's plunging too?

If you look at the 30 day change from 7/25-8/25, you see that Dean, Lieberman and Clark were the only ones who moved up at all. And even they statistically barely moved at all in that period, as far as net change. If you want to argue it, Kerry's lost 5 points since July and Dean has gained 1. See how silly this is?

The numbers right now are bumping around. I do however see in the longer term polling that Dean has moved from polling in low single digits nationally to a well-recognized frontrunner. Which by the way I'm sure you predicted would never happen.

And no, I can't explain Lieberman. The Gore thing has to fade eventually.

[corgigrrl]

27. Kerry criticizes Dean for opposing what he opposed??

let me get this straight:

Kerry voted against GWB's tax cuts, correct?

Now Dean has the courage to say they need to be repealed to restore some fiscal sanity to our budget process and restore the spending for essential services Americans expect . . .

And Kerry -- who, remember, voted against the same tax cuts, criticizes Dean for wanting to "raise taxes on the middle class" because he wants to repeal them??

How is this honest?

You know why people like Dean? Because whether you agree with it or not, he has the guts to stand up and say, you can have a tax cut of a few hundred dollars or maybe less, or we can take that money and improve your health care situation and the condition of your kid's schools and maybe your property taxes won't go thru the roof.

If this is how Kerry is going to run his campaign, he can have it.

[George_Bonanza]

28. I'm so sick of this

Look, John Kerry disagrees with about 90% of the Bush tax bill. However, there's about 10% which he thinks could help the economy. However, you do not approve a tax bill which you only agree 10% with. If he's president, and he has the power to repeal all the tax cuts, he will do so, except for the 10% he agrees with. What's so wrong about this, and not voting for it in the first place? It's not like he wants to keep the whole thing in place.

[Octafish]

29. Two things. 1. You are wrong. 2. Don't say "Putz" like that.

First: John Kerry is the best candidate the Democrats have. Kerry will crush Bush. Going by his record, Kerry also may be the best qualified person running for the office in half a century.

Second: Please refrain from calling anyone a "putz." Using the term in anyway less than complimentary is particularly vulgar to me. A good friend of mine lost his brother in Vietnam. His name was Lance Cpl. Lawrence J. Putz, USMC.

Doubt me? See for yourself:

http://thewall-usa.com/

[ludwigb]

32. Well, I apologize for the putz remark, but Kerry is wrong.

Through these foolish and dishonest attacks on Dean, Kerry is showing just how politically challenged he really is. All I'm saying is that I don't understand his appeal--I've seen him speak some 5 times now and the only thing he has going for him is his biography and nice deep voice. And his position on the war (I was duped!) is pathetic to everyone. Nominating him will concede the majority blue collar vote to Bush--they're just not going to support this guy.

I think many Kerry supporters jumped on the bandwagon because they believed Kerry would be the eventual nominee and it is important to unite early. Now the campaign appears to be sputtering. Maybe it's time to reconsider.

[Kanola]

30. Bullshit

I think (as a Dean supporter) that Kerry has many strengths and will kick the boy king out of office in 2004. I will probably vote for Dean for the primary but will definitely help Kerry should he win the nomination.

The real question is if Kerry wins ... Kerry versus the Chimp


Well it is Kerry hands down for me. I want the Chimp out in 2004 and will do what is possible for his demise from politics.