Dean Says He Has to Watch His Mouth

[DrFunkenstein]

PHOENIX - Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean said Friday he can be a bit too mouthy — then went out and proved his point.

The front-running candidate in a field of nine said his blunt-speaking ways may someday get him in trouble. Rivals hope his campaign will implode, and Dean said he knows one way that could happen.

Could he hurt himself? "If I blew up in a debate or something like that, yes," Dean said. "But I haven't done that in 16 years of debates."

Less than an hour later, Dean was visiting his new campaign headquarters where he fielded more than a dozen questions at an impromptu news conference. As aides pulled him inside, Dean was asked whether he was surprised that rival John Kerry did not criticize him in Thursday's debate.

"I wish he'd say to my face what he says behind my back," Dean said before disappearing behind the door, a grimace on his face.

Kerry had obviously gotten under his skin. Before leaving Arizona for California, Dean realized he had unintentionally created news with his crack about Kerry.

"I just wish he had given me a chance to respond to all that stuff — the zero experience on foreign affairs, the NRA stuff, the tax cut stuff," Dean said. In a television interview Sunday, Kerry suggested Dean was not ready to be commander in chief, linked him to the National Rifle Association and criticized him for wanting to repeal all of President Bush's tax cuts.

"I would have liked to have responded to that in person," Dean said, relishing the thought of getting mouthy with Kerry.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&e=8&u=/ap/dean_the_mouth

[blm]

1. HAHA...when Stephanopolous asked Dean

to come out and repeat on live TV what he said about Kerry on the trail, Dean squirmed and said he wanted to move on.

Hah. Mr. Bushlite, himself.

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3. So you want him to get petty like Kerry

is that it?

[DrFunkenstein]

4. Often!

The pettier the better!

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5. You will be disappointed

[DrFunkenstein]

6. Then He Will Be Too Vanilla

;-)

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7. He needs a couple of good zingers

like Sharpton's "Jonestown" comment

;-)

[blm]

14. Point to something Kerry said about Dean

that was petty.

It was Dean's campaign who agitated reporters to press Kerry about whether his campaign was copying Dean's because of a similar petition on their sites. Now THAT was petty.

Of course, these are the same Bradley folks who pressed the media to pummel Gore on lies THEY planted. Like - Did you really call Bob Kerrey a cripple?

[Cha]

17. Petty? Charred pot calling kettle Black!

[blm]

26. If you have it, show it.

.

[Cha]

37. troulble is you don't have it.

[blm]

52. Hahah. Another lie from the Dean camp.

They accuse Kerry of making petty remarks about Dean, then fail to share them with the class.

[George_Bonanza]

33. I agree

Accusing somebody of copying one's website or rhetoric, which Dean absolutely did not own (Kerry was a far more vocal Bush opponent since 2000, Dean just did it when it was politically ripe) is pettier than attacking one's policies. The former is a rather inconsequential "style" while the latter is a much more important "substance".

[killbotfactory]

45. Do you have proof that the Dean campaign agitated reporters about this?

...

[blm]

57. Yes...and you know it clear as day.

Because it was posted here by Deanies calling Kerry a "copycat" or did you forget so soon?

>>>>>
During a campaign stop in Des Moines Monday, Kerry was asked whether the Internet petition drive he was announcing in protest of President Bush's proposed overtime pay standards was in response to a similar effort Dean had launched a week earlier.

Dean staffers had stirred up the questions in advance of Kerry's event with union members at a Des Moines AFSCME office.
>>>>>

http://www.dmregister.com/news/stories/c4789004/21999146.html

[blm]

12. He threw the first twenty punches

before any of the others reciprocated. He made his reputation by misrepresenting the others in a petty, selfserving way. I have no sympathy for him.

Karma will catch up.

[Cha]

13. Talk about "Karma"....I hope kerry doesn't have to face his!

And I seriously doubt Dean wants any sympathy from you,blm.

[blm]

16. Point to Kerry's pettiness towards Dean.

Make someone believe you.

[Cha]

19. I don't take orders from you.

And who is talking about credibility?

[blm]

21. You can't. You just make accusations

that have no basis in reality.

Kerry made no petty comments about Dean but you ran with it anyway. Typical.

[killbotfactory]

22. How about...

Lehane and Jordan bash Dean for "wanting to give the UN a veto on national security" or that Dean is unfit to serve because he said the US may not always be a superpower for eternity? Or how about when Kerry said Dean didn't do much for healthcare in Vermont during the SC debate? How about Kerry recently saying Dean was wrong on Iraq because he "wanted to walk away from Iraq"?

[blm]

25. PETTY....big difference from real issue talk.

What did Kerry say that was PETTY about Dean? If he is going to be accused, let's see what he said.

[killbotfactory]

30. Some of those seemed petty to me...

They tried to turn minor statements into major ones and looked like jerks.

[Duder]

24. Points to a letter to Kerry...

http://www.nathannewman.org/log/archives/001153.shtml#001153

[blm]

28. Do any of you know what PETTY means?

You seem to point to comments about real campaign issues but NO petty comments from Kerry about Dean.

[Nicholas_J]

39. Kerry NEVER

Mentioned Deans status with the NRA.

Kerry just stated that he was a candidate who would never be supported by the NRA. And even though he was a hunher, he never took an AK-47 out with him when he went hunting.

Whats that got to do with Dean...It is also a lot less direct than Deans direct statemtns about Kerry, for which Dean would provide any direct proof.

Dean apologized to Edwards for lying about Edwards Stance on Iraq, but refused to do so to Kerry, stating that Kerry waffled too much. Dean would not give an answer to HOW Kerry waffled.

This is another case of Dean trying to turn his opinions into fact, as he did by calling the October Resolution a blank check for war.
Dean never had a legal lg to stand on making this statement, but it has been taken for truth simply because Dean repeated the lie over and over again.

[Cha]

36. "kerry made no petty comments about Dean"....yeah right!

And what is typical is you Jumping on any Dean thread ..Positive or Negative and saying something petty.

[Nicholas_J]

40. Yup

will keep doing so until the nominee is selected.

[Nicholas_J]

42. I SAID

Kerry made no negative comments about Dean and the NRA...Show where he did.

Here you go misrepresenting what I said again.

[blm]

58. Prove it if you have it.

And I only jump on HALF the Dean threads. And I do so because Deanies started mimicking their fearless leader and attacked the other candidates unfairly and relentlessly for many months.

Karma.

[KaraokeKarlton]

60. Kerry lied...which isn't petty.

In fact, he's lied several times about Dean. As a result, Kerry has zero credibility.

1) Kerry lied in the first debate about numbers of insured in Vermont.
2) Kerry lied about Dean being a member of the NRA.
3) Kerry lied about Dean saying that Kerry had a lousy record on gay rights.
4) Kerry used GOP tax figures to attack Dean.

Zero credibility and typical dirty politics. At least when Dean says something factually wrong he admits it. And calling someone Bush lite for voting with Bush on issues Democrats DON'T support qualifies as "Bush-lite". Everyone knows THAT is what Dean means when he says that. If people didn't AGREE with that sentiment, it would not have stuck. They also would have thought the same whether Dean said so or not.

I despise dirty politics and I don't trust Kerry.

[Nicholas_J]

38. They can't anwer

Virtually all threads about Dean by his supporters are based on either Deans own campaign, Articles that refer back to Deans own opinion of himself or of his campaign, or just personal opinion.

For the most part, all over the Internet, it is almost impossible to locate any advocacy group or democratic political advocate in any political area who supports anything Dean ever did as governor.
A lot of Republicans think he is the oysters iceskates though.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

48. A lot of Dems think he is the "oysters iceskates", too

6000 more signups after the debate last night.

As for "Virtually all threads about Dean by his supporters are based on...", that's just bullshit. Yes there are lots of threads based on opinion and campaign rhetoric (for all candidates, maybe more for Dean because he has more supporters here), but there are plenty of threads with plenty of facts.

Meanwhile you keep posting the same articles over and over. Especially that one by the 3 Vermonters I like to call "the Green, the non-voter, and the one who thinks Dean is a Republican."

[ModerateMiddle]

41. oooh, I hope Kerry catches his Karma

That would be poetic.

[Nicholas_J]

27. Sure

How many candidates has Dean had to apologize to at this point and now many time has he had to state that he was wrong about statement he made.

After his Social Security gaff with Kucinich, that was funny enough, but the fact that he has lied about Edwads ande Had to apologize and then lied in front of millions of Americans by responding to Kucinich's statement about Deans Social Security Comments is TOO Funny.

The fact that he LIED in front of millions is even more problematic than the fact he staed he wanted to raise the social security age.

How many more time will Dean be caught lying before everyone just admits he has a serious problem telling the truth.

I mean he has a disability, thats not proble, he is just Truth-Impaired.

[Cha]

15. Yeah! Dean and Kerry should face each other and get "Mouth"..

Dean doesn't need to bow down to stephenopoulous's instigating.



And since you are calling DEan .."bushlite"....well..I'll have to say Kerry is the one who said the attack was wrong but went off and voted to give the bushies the the power.

[blm]

18. ELEVEN YEARS OF KISSING GOP ASS IN VERMONT.

That's what YOU like....fine. Let us know how Dean's lips taste after 11 years of kissing GOP ass.

Uh...and in case you forgot, it was DEAN who called the others "Bushlite" when he was WAY closer to Bush on the issues than they were. He lies and you love him for it.

[Cha]

20. Anything to try and change the subject of kerry's Iraqi resolution

vote.

[blm]

29. But you LOVED Dean's support of war ala Biden-Lugar.

Oh wait, no....Dean was speaking out against this illegal war at protests and even submitted legal papers to stop Bush. Oops...that wasn't Dean, it was Kucinich. Dean is the guy who supported war under Biden-Lugar guidelines and never challenged its legality.

Sorry, zidzi, you call it illegal war so much that I assumed you supported a candidate who believed that, too.

[killbotfactory]

31. If Biden-Lugar passed...

The war would have been throught the UN or else have a threat against the US be proven, and the war would be legal.

[Nicholas_J]

35. Biden Lugar was an amendment and not a replacement bill

It was redundent as the preamble to the bill was a laundry list of U.N. resolutions that the original bill cited that The President had to go to the U.N. to before congress would authorize the Presidents use of force in Iraq. One of those resolutions was in regards to Iraqs Requirements to destroy all WMD's after the Gulf War. so the October Resolution already included the requirement to provide proof that Saddam had violated the resolution regarding WMD's.

Biden-Lugar was thus REDUNDANT.

[killbotfactory]

46. Kerry would have "strongly preferred" it, Bush said it "tied his hands"

Redundant my ass.

[blm]

59. And Bush would STILL be in Iraq.

.

[Cha]

34. The case for the attack on Iraq was Not proven...Dean stated

that Loud and clear...and all your huffing & puffing will not change that.

[Nicholas_J]

43. So did all of the other democrats

None of them ever said that Bush made his case either. Or that he fulfilled ANY of the requirements of the OCtober REsolution to gain congressional support for attacking Iraq.


That is why Dean supporters are being disingenuous by stating that the Democrats gave Bush a "Vote for War" With the OCtober Resolution:

NO democrat EVER has stated that Bush:

SEC. 2. SUPPORT FOR UNITED STATES DIPLOMATIC EFFORTS.
The Congress of the United States supports the efforts by the President to--

(1) strictly enforce through the United Nations Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq and encourages him in those efforts; and

(2) obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
(a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to--

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.

(b) PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION- In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorist and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

(c) War Powers Resolution Requirements-

(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.

(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this joint resolution supersedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.

http://www.kpid.dk/Iraq%20Resolution%20of%202002.htm

No democrat has ever admitted that Bush met the rather strict conditions of this act. far stricter thanbthe Biden-Lugar amendment.

[Nicholas_J]

44. And later in an attempt to hedge his bets when the war looked

To be gaining suport:

I have been concerned about his foreign policy stance. He's distinguished himself as the most anti-war candidate extant. But let's see how he says he would do it:

"As I've said about eight times today," he says, annoyed -- that Saddam must be disarmed, but with a multilateral force under the auspices of the United Nations. If the U.N. in the end chooses not to enforce its own resolutions, then the U.S. should give Saddam 30 to 60 days to disarm, and if he doesn't, unilateral action is a regrettable, but unavoidable, choice.


Easy to say at this late date, but imagine if we'd gone to the UN in September with a timetable, backed with a clear threat of unilateral action. I think things would have gone rather differently.

http://www.howardsmusings.com/2003/02/20/salon_on_the_campaign_trail_with_the_unbush.html

Sounds EXACTLY like what Georgie did, doesnt it.

[Nicholas_J]

47. That old

Rockerfeller Republican magic that Dean does so well.

It is so hysterical that all of these "NEW PEOPLE' Dean is bringing into the proces are supporting a candidate with an essentially Republican Philosophy, not only on fiscal matters, but on almost ALL social matters.

How someone who cuts funding to Public Defenders while raising the funding to the police and prosecutors, while stating that the system favors the criminals, and then firing a public defender for finding ways to effectively run the public defenders offices, totally opposes popular laws to legalize medical marijuana, opposition methadone maintenance treatment in both public clinics and in prisons, can be describes as a "socially liberal" is as far a stretch as calling Sean Hannity a centrist.

[clar]

2. He does indeed

need to watch his mouth. Here in Vermont he frequently inserted foot. However, he always exhibited impressive amounts of teflon, a most mysterious ingredient. Can he do this on a national level? Stay tuned.

[Cha]

8. And?

Good for Dean! I like him to get "mouthy" with kerry, too!


"Gerald McEntee, president of AFSCME, voiced support for Kerry in the spring, but labor officials say the union leadership is now taking a serious look at Dean. The ex-governor has won favor, too, with some leaders of the SEIU impressed with his ability to bring new voters into the party." :kick:

[Sal316]

9. Dean got himself into trouble here in AZ today.

Someone asked him about illegal immigration and he said he could support a 'fast track' program for illegal immigrants who work here, pay taxes, and don't have a criminal record.

The RW Radioheads were all over it within minutes.

Immigration is THE hot button issue here in AZ. We've got too many 'ship 'em back and put the Army on the border' types here.

Don't get me wrong, Dean's my guy, and MamaSal was swayed by the Doc at his office opening this morning, but he's going to have to be very careful about the immigration issue here. The RW'ers will pound him relentlessly on it.

[Cha]

10. Maybe you could write to the Dean blog and give them your

views, Sal! :-)

[sandnsea]

11. Generally, it's the Democratic position

I hope Kerry sticks to his guns on it. We've got to do something different with immigration. Republicans like to rail on about how great America is and the proof is how everybody wants to come here. Then they back policy that let's people die in the desert when they try to do that. If we had better relations with Mexico while changing our immigration rules, it'd be better for everybody. I have no problem with Dean on this one.

[Sal316]

50. I have no problems with him on this one either....

...but it's killer ammo for the RW'ers here.

[whirlygigspin]

55. Arizona

To hear old,fat,rich white people golfing away in Arizona
complain about "too many mexicans"...is like listening
to a south african complaining about "too many blacks".

Hint, don't move to India if you don't like Indians.
Hello? buy a history book.
four!

[Nicholas_J]

23. As well as

The distance between it and either of his feet

[RevolutionStartsNow]

32. Since goodnatured jokes about the candidates are being tossed around...

[RevolutionStartsNow]

49. LOL Funk, what happened to your thread?

It's been Nic'd to death!

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51. It's all my fault

I used the word 'petty'.

Forgive me Dr. Funkenstein,
Your funk is the best.

[DrFunkenstein]

53. I Was Busy Having A Nice Friday Night

:toast:
:beer:
:puke:
:boring:

[RevolutionStartsNow]

54. Ah, but then tomorrow, there's this...

:hangover:

Don't forget to take a few Tylenol before bed.

[DrFunkenstein]

56. Don't Remind Me

I've got to help my family move at the ass crack of dawn.

:crazy: