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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 08:43 AM
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Clinton supports Clark, ignores Dean? So says the Albany Times-Union
Edited on Tue Sep-16-03 09:08 AM by Mairead
The Democratic Party has just two stars, the former president says in comments reported by The New York Times. Neither of them is currently in the race for the party's 2004 presidential nomination.

The exalted two, in Mr. Clinton's eyes, are Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and retired Gen. Wesley Clark.

http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=169529&category=OPINION&newsdate=9/14/2003

(edit: changed 'dismisses' to 'ignores' as possibly being more accurate)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 08:47 AM
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1. Yea! Albany-Times Union!
:toast:
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Garage Queen Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 08:50 AM
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2. Well, frankly, I'd like to see Clinton's remarks in context.
Edited on Tue Sep-16-03 08:52 AM by Garage Queen
And more OF them. We have a report of things he said at a fund-raiser for his wife. Was he playing to the constituency? Was he building up Hillary as presidential material in order to get the donors to give more money? Who knows. The election is 14 months away and, last time I checked, the Democratic nominee hasn't been chosen yet.

And if Clinton has decided he likes Clark best, so what? Everyone's entitled to an opinion. As candidates drop out their supporters will move on to someone else. (edited to add...) I'm not saying Clark will be the one to drop out (if indeed he decides to get in) but that the endorsement for ANY candidate isn't written in stone until the Nominee is chose. (shrug)

Without more info I'd say this editorial is much ado about nothing.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 08:54 AM
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3. Does it matter?
Howard Dean is the new leader of the Democratic Party as far as I can see. (this is coming from a self-described "fence sitter").
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 08:55 AM
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4. well if that is the case
he has dismissed more than Dean. Why not mention Kerry, Edwards, Graham, Sharpton, Mosley Braun, Gephardt, Lieberman, and your own candidate, Dennis Kucinich.

Furthermore, This comment was overheard and I don't believe Clinton has elaborated on it. At the Harkin event on Saturday Clinton had praise for all our candidates who have been running hard for several months--and went out of his way, infact, to say of Dean, "he had the best healthcare program of any governor".
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burr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 11:55 PM
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17. Clinton also called our current candidate field the strongest in decades..
and we'll find out how solid Clinton's support of Clark is, shortly after Clark announces his campaign at noon tommorrow. :puffpiece:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 08:56 AM
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5. You should work for the National Enquirer's headline writing team
Not only was that not the headline of the piece, Dean wasn't mentioned at all by Clinton (neither were anyone but Clark and his wife). It is hard to get more misleading than what you just did.
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 09:14 AM
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6. Well I always thought Bill Clinton was a smart man...
This just proves it.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 09:18 AM
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7. It wouldn't surprise me
Clinton is a politician with a hugh ego and a need to be admired. Some Johnny-come-lately with a renewed outlook, a popular mandate and resonating message is sure to threaten Clinton and potentially oscure his stained legacy. Through his wife or Clark, Clinton remains relevant and the party is still colored by his dominance. I do not feel this is an especially healthy thing and the Clintons should be willing to loosen their grip on their accustumed position of power. Even though it may be difficult for the Clintons, it is in the best interest of the party and by extention, the country,if the Clintons did not monopolize the party as if it was their own personal machine for self-promotion.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 09:38 AM
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8. The author missed the Harken event
Where Clinton extolled the Dem field at length, praised Dean's work in health care and hugged Bob Graham.

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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 03:29 PM
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9. Again
His statement about Dean was left until the end, and RAPIDLY glossed over, compared to his statements about Dean being doing more about health care than any governor. Which is doing little, as CLinton knows that governors have little power to do anything n this ares.

In essence Clinton was doing what p
This is what is known as "damning with faint praise". They have rto find ONE GOOD THING to state about each candidate, and so Clinton grasped at one, and let it go as soon as possible, so as not to soil his hands.

The Albany paper noted above, is one of the most politically savvy papers outside of New York City , in the state.

They are likely to be mare on the money about the situation than Deans supporters.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 03:46 PM
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10. Governors have little power in health care??????!!!!!!!!
surely you jest. Forget about what Dean did look at Oregon. The governor there totally redid medicaid by ranking medical services and deciding which to fund. In Hawaii a governor instituted (with the help of the legislature) a plan requiring employers to insure employees. Those are just two examples off the top of my head. Governors have little power in health care, what tommyrot.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 04:16 PM
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11.  No one
Edited on Tue Sep-16-03 04:18 PM by Nicholas_J
totally "REDOES" medicaid.

THe programs run under rather tight federal guidelines, and use of temprary waivers to extend benefits. The only thing governors can do is budget towards thier required 40 percent of the programs.

AS Dean did in Vermont, all that happened was that he applied for a waiver to spend unused federal moey given to other departments outside of health programs.

As Deans handling of health care in Vermont led to MORE adults being uninsured than were uninsured before he came into office, due to his cuts in the amount allotted to covering adults.

Comparison with other states
One way to improve the reliability of estimates in small states like Vermont is to combine
multiple years of data. The table below, based on CPS data, shows the states with the
lowest uninsured rates based on the period 1999-2001.
Table 1 – States with lowest uninsured rate, 1999-2001
1
State %
uninsured
Rhode Island*
7.2%
Minnesota* 7.8%
Iowa 8.0%
Wisconsin* 8.5%
Pennsylvania 8.7%
Massachusetts* 8.7%
Missouri* 8.8%
New Hampshire
9.0%
Delaware* 9.5%
Nebraska 9.6%
Vermont* 9.7%
Connecticut 9.7%
Hawaii* 9.7%
Michigan 9.9%
United States
14.5%

.
Table 2
3
, below, shows the results of the CPS for 1987-2001 and findings of the three
state surveys. Concerns have been raised about the magnitude of the difference between
the state and CPS survey figures for 1997. Unfortunately, there is no way to determine
which estimate is more accurate.
Some health care analysts
4
believe that the CPS underestimates the number of people on
Medicaid and thus overestimates the number of uninsured. At least one other state
(Wisconsin) that does its own survey reports an uninsured rate substantially lower than
the CPS estimate
5
.
Table 2 – Estimates of the Percent Uninsured in Vermont, 1987-2001
CPS
RWJF
Year US VT /
State
1987 12.9% 9.8%
1988 13.4% 10.7%
1989 13.6% 8.8%
1990 13.9% 9.5%
1991 14.1% 12.7%
1992 15.0% 9.5%
1993 15.3% 11.9%
11.0%
1994 15.2% 8.6%
1995 15.4% 13.0%
1996 15.6% 11.0%
1997 16.1% 9.5% 6.8%
1998 16.3% 9.9%
1999 15.5% 11.1%
2000 14.0% 8.6% 8.4%
2001 14.6% 9.6%
2
http://cms.hhs.gov/medicaid/1115/statesum.pdf
3
http://www.census.gov/hhes/hlthins/historic/hihistt4.html
4
Counting the Uninsured: A Review of the Literature; Urban Institute; July,1998
5
http://www.dhfs.state.wi.us/News/PressReleases/uninsuredcensusdata.htm


Full Report at:


http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:FzuHwx-xM74J:www.leg.state.vt.us/jfo/Vermont%2520Uninsured.pdf+%22Vermont%22+%27uninsured%22+%221992%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&client=REAL-tb


http://www.leg.state.vt.us/jfo/Vermont%20Uninsured.pdf.


This report is a good indicator that NOTHING happened while Dean was governor, and reports HOW health care was financed when he was governor.

The rate of uninsured while Dean was governor did not decrease, and pretty much either remained the same as it was propr to him coming to office, or got worse.

Dean's attempt to fiddle with the fedeal program was essrntially a dismal failure, rather than a sucess, and a comittee requested by Dean in 2002 , with all of its members apointed by Dean found the same thing.

Dean inherited a state with one of the smallest rates of uninsured, and did not improve things. These figures indicate that the opposite happened for most of the years he was governor. Most of the other states in Deans region of the country OUTPERFORMED Vermont when it came to the rate of uninsured.


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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:28 PM
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13. You really need to look at Oregon
They did completely revamp Medicaid. What they did is take every medical service which can be offered and gave them all rankings based on cost, numbers of lives saved, quality of life, etc. Then they figured out based on how much money they had what they would and wouldn't fund. Their governor, also a doctor, was a driving force behind this. Again, go looking.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 09:22 PM
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14. He didnt CHANGE
Anything.

Simply did not interfere with availablity of the services that should be available under medicaid. Many states simply play a run-around game with letting those who are eligiblefor services, to know that they are, and where they can get the services.

In many cases. like Deans Vermont, the state had a very low number of people who lacked insurance to begin with, and so the illusion that a great deal of services are available, when the statistical data states otherwise.

Like this article:

State's safety net for kids chided

Children First gives Oregon a C grade overall.

PETER WONG
Statesman Journal
September 16, 2003

A sagging economy and a tattered social safety net have caused a children’s advocacy group to downgrade Oregon dramatically, including an F for family financial stability.

The fourth annual report card, which Children First for Oregon released today, gave the state an overall grade of C-, a whole grade down from the B- it gave last year and in 2001.

Even more dramatic were the downgrades in family financial stability, which dropped from D to F, and health from B+ to D.

“A financially stable household is a foundation for a safe, secure childhood,” executive director Marie Hoeven said.

In addition to Oregon’s high unemployment rate — which is 2 percentage points greater than the national average — more then 140,000 children live in poverty and find it hard to get food, housing and medical care. That’s about one in six children, Oregon’s highest rate since 1994.

“The economic downturn has highlighted the fact that a lot of families always were on the borderline,” said Tina Kotek, policy director for the group based in Portland.

“It also exposed the lack of a social safety net that would have kept those families somewhat stable, instead of falling through the cracks.”

http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=67805


PORTLAND -- In the mid-1990s, Dr. John Kitzhaber, an ex-emergency room doctor turned politician, engineered a systematic approach toward the state's uninsured problem. Known as the Oregon Health Plan, the program expanded the number of people eligible for state-sponsored health insurance. Oregon's traditional Medicaid program covered about 300,000 people. From 1994 through 2002, an additional 91,000 to 121,000 people gained insurance through the plan. This year, the number went down to 62,000 when a tight state budget forced cuts in benefits and the addition of co-payments and premiums.

The Oregon Health Plan stretches the state's dollars by adopting a rationing approach to health care. Instead of paying for all medical procedures, the plan covers a select number of benefits so that it can insure more people. An appointed committee draws up a list of benefits and ranks them by medical priority. The legislature decides how much money it has and where to draw the line on the priority list. The program only pays for benefits falling above the line.

Kitzhaber, who finished his second term as Oregon's governor in January, says national and state health care programs sorely lack the pragmatism of the Oregon Health Plan. The straight-talking Democrat ex-governor is on a mission to change that. Speaking around the United States and world, Kitzhaber is attempting to redirect health care policy.

He criticizes a national safety net that provides care for the uninsured through expensive emergency room care, rather than paying for more effective and cheaper preventive care. He blasts Medicare, the federal program for seniors, because it devotes public funds toward covering rich, retired Americans when so many poor people lack insurance. And he insists that rationing care is a fair way to deliver medical care to the poor.

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/business/6769164.htm


Rationed care is an ultra-conservative idea about health care, in which is it is simply TOO costly to cover someone, you dont cover them, if they have a condition that is not part of the rationed service, the person just has to die, if they cannot afford it themselves.

Not a very pretty sight.

And it is similart to what Dean did. One of the Premises for CLinton care was to start shifting funds to cover children, because it is realtively cheap compared to covering adults. Children lets face it, have lower rates of chronic illnesses, and for the mst part, require simple maintenance treatment. Whis is why Kerry wrote the initial acts that allwed the states, and Vermont was one of them, to use federal medicaid waivers to cover people who were above the federal poverty levels, by using unspend federal funds that originally given to the states for non health related programs, and which Dean used to fund Dr Dynasaur:

Beware Kidcare


Sen. Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) recently announced a $3 billion to $4 billion per year proposal that would subsidize 90 percent of private health insurance premiums for families with annual incomes up to twice the federal poverty level and provide smaller subsidies for wealthier families -- those that earn up to $75,000 per year. Another proposal unveiled by Sens. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) and John Kerry (D-Mass.) would establish federal-state-private partnerships in which states, using federal dollars, would purchase private "child-only" coverage at an annual cost of about $9 billion. Premiums would be fully covered for families with incomes up to 185 percent of the federal poverty level and completely phased out for families above three times the poverty level -- over $45,000 for a family of four. Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Penn.) offered a similar proposal that would completely phase out the credit at 235 percent of the federal poverty level over $35,000 for a family of four -- at an annual cost of $4.8 billion.

The catalyst for KidCare is the supposed explosion in the number of children lacking health insurance and, therefore, presumably receiving inadequate care. However, in reality, the percentage of uninsured children rose less than 1 percent from 1990 to 1995, from 13.0 percent to 13.8 percent -- hardly an explosion. Of the 10 million children who lack health insurance, 3 million are eligible for, but not participating in, Medicaid, the federal-state health insurance program that covers children of families whose incomes fall below 130 percent of the poverty line. It is estimated that another 1.5 million uninsured children live in households with incomes over $40,000 per year. Moreover, most uninsured families lack insurance for only a brief period. Over half of all uninsured Americans go without insurance for less than six months. Furthermore, KidCare proponents fail to distinguish between health insurance and access to health care.


http://www.cato.org/dailys/2-11-97.html

This is a conservative article doing a burn on the KidCare program, but look familiar...It is very close to Vermonts's Dr Dynsaur program
as it was changed to in 1998, after the bill finally passed as the Kennedy/Hatch Act, and what the states did regarding children again, was standard medicaid.

Problems that developed was that states started cooking the books, under budgeting programs for roads, dams and other non-health related programs, and this occurred in Vermont as well. In Vermont particularly:


Governor's Bipartisan Commission

On Health Care Availability & Affordability

Final Report

I. Authority, Scope

A. On January 24, 2001, Governor Howard Dean issued an executive order establishing a Special Governor's Bipartisan Commission on Health Care Availability and Affordability...


A. Our commission is made up of people who have spent years listening to testimony and otherwise studying the problems of health care availability and affordability. We have differences, some of them passionate differences, in our political philosophies, and it should come as no surprise that we differ on some of the directions reform should take. Although we have taken a substantial amount of new testimony during the past nine months, our real task has been to try to find common recommendations, despite our philosophical differences.2

B. Based on what we have learned, we do agree on this: Health care in Vermont is near a state of crisis -- some of us would say it is already in crisis -- and all health care sectors are on edge. We also note that many of these problems are national or even global in scope and that our abilities to solve them at the state level are limited.

C. Health care costs in Vermont, now exceeding $2 billion a year, are of a sufficient magnitude, however, and are increasing at a sufficient rate to place state government itself in jeopardy, including every program for which it appropriates money. By comparison, Vermonters budgeted $1.8 billion for all state government services in FY 2001 (not including federal funds).3

We are rapidly approaching the point at which these costs will directly conflict with our ability to do such things as to maintain roads and bridges, for example, or to provide cost-effective services to our infants and children, to promote agriculture and tourism, or to provide any other services our citizens have come to expect.

http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:aC9QzqwOEmkJ:www.state.vt.us/health/commission/docs/report/mainreport.doc+%22Howard+Dean%22+%22Incentive+Plan+for+Medicaid%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8


Or to put it simply, in Vermont, in order to try to fund health care, particularly for children, federal funds for other projects were being raided, but the state was not increasing its budget to compliment these programs as required by Medicaid regulations. These waivers were only temporary, and cannot be extended, so they were being misused for political ends, and did not end up increasing the number of peopple with insurance coverage in the states that used the waivers, but most particularly in Vermont, where Deans agenda was primarily political, and not in the interests of the people who most needed health care. In Vermont, what occured was a health coverage shift, not health coverage expansion. No cost controls were implemented, ever, so the insurance and big health care companies called the shots, and the budget for other govenrment services were drained, but the number of adults who had coverage was not increased.

As the Bush cuts to the states kicked in Deans solution to the problem was refuse to raise taxes, and as a matter of fact, to go full steam ahead on the income tax cuts he asked for in 1998/1999, and which began in 2000. Deans solution in the end, was to cut services, and increase the out of poicket expenses for the adults who were covered by medicaid:

Governor’s Budget Cuts Medicaid Programs

Governor Howard Dean, in his eleventh and last budget address, cut several Medicaid programs including prescription drugs, dental care and vision services. Dean told lawmakers times a tough and sacrifices had to be made.

The Dean budget for FY 2003 is $891 million in state spending, one percent more than the state expects to spend this fiscal year but nearly 3% less than the budget passed last year ($916 million). Revenues this year are expected to be $50 million below budget. Dean wants to use the "Rainy Day" fund to cover some of the $50 million shortfall but does not want to tap that fund for FY 2003. Next year’s budget is based on revenue estimates of $893 million.

If passed as presented, Dean’s budget would:

Eliminate the VScript Expanded Program.

Reduce the Vermont Health Access Plan pharmacy benefit.

Increase the co-pay up to $750/year for medicines under both the VScript and VHAP pharmacy programs. (Those eligible now pay only a few dollars for each filled prescription).

Eliminate the Medicaid dentures, chiropractic and podiatry programs.

Reduce the adult dental programs (cover pain and suffering only, not preventative care).

Add a 50% co-pay to adult vision programs.

Add a $250 co-pay per admission to VHAP inpatient hospital benefit.

Reduce the hospital outpatient payment by 10%.

Establish a hospital outpatient co-pay of $25.

These cuts would save about $27 million, $11 million in state money. Few advocates for the elderly are happy with the budget and have vowed to restore the money lost to these programs. A coalition of over a dozen advocacy groups held a rally and press conference at the Capitol building to denounce the budget cuts.

http://vnavt.com/vahhavoicewinter2002.htm

Essentially, all this resulted from poor planning on Deans part, and his unwillingness to change his fiscal policies as the times and situations warranted. Dean. like Bush has a one size fits all solution to government problems which, like Bush' revolves around fiscal conservatism. Reduce government spending, use surpluses to cut income taxes. This is how Dean ran Vermont as governor.

And also resulted in his need to recommend cuts to social services in 2002. He forgot the first dictum of funding government programs. Plan for the worse, hope for the best.

Which while govenror meant cutting state budgets, state funding of programs, while at the same time, refusing to raise income taxes, and in fact in Deans case, cutting them.


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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 09:37 PM
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15. I will try this once more
You made a claim that governors had no power over medicaid. I came up with two examples of governors who had revamped medicaid. I NEVER said I agreed with, disagreed with, or made any other comments about them. But even your sources agree that this was a major change. That, and only that, was my point. DO YOU HEAR ME NOW?
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KaraokeKarlton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 10:35 PM
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16. Clinton gave Dean a waiver ages ago
which allowed him to alter the federal programs. States with waivers can run them differently, as Dean did. Of course, you never mention that bit of information. If you did it would throw all of your arguments in the toilet where they belong.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-03 07:01 PM
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12. I've been trying to ignore Clinton but he won't go away
Edited on Tue Sep-16-03 07:01 PM by deutsey
I doubt Dean will go away either because the Dem Establishment types all hope that he'll stop rousing all the "rabble".
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Girlfriday Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 12:10 AM
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18. You better hope Clinton doesn't go away any time soon
Gore's biggest mistake in 2000 was distancing himself from Clinton, and look where it got us! If we want a Dem in the Whitehouse in '04, we need Clinton.:)
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 02:39 AM
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20. Bull
Gore's biggest problem was that sorry-assed DLC DINO who was imposed on the same ticket to keep Gore from doing anything too populist.

You remember Lieberman don't you? The same Lieberman who everytime Gore said something a little too populist would frantically call corporations the next morning to reassure them: "Don't worry he didn't mean it".

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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 08:07 AM
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21. Yes and no
I voted for the guy twice: Once enthusiastically, the other time holding my nose.

In my opinion, Clinton is both good and bad for the Democratic Party (and I don't mean in terms of the rightwing smear campaign against him). Clinton was not my first choice in '92 (I liked Harkin), but I supported him when he got the nomination. From that time on until his departure from office I've both loved and hated him. He can rise to an occasion and inspire a nation, and he can drop supporters in a moment when it serves some self-serving political purpose.

I think he's certainly an asset (and sometimes an ass), but I think we need to stop looking back all the time to him and start defining our vision by looking to the present and the future.

And, by the way, Gore still won the popular vote in 2000 by half a million. Who knows what the count would've been if tens of thousands of African Americans had been allowed to vote.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 02:35 AM
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19. Of course he does. Clark is DLC
This is precisely why we've had Clark supporters pumping Clinton up as if he were God for the last few weeks. Gotta follow the memes ;)
-----------------------
<snip>

But members of the DLC, meeting in Philadelphia over the weekend and today for the group's annual "conversation," say they're holding their centrist ground. Their "Third Way" or "New Democrat" ideas will reclaim the White House for the Democrats in 2004, they say, as they did for Bill Clinton in his two victories.

<snip>

Despite the political focus, however, the declared Democratic presidential candidates were asked to stay away.

<snip>

The absence of candidates has hardly back-burnered the presidential race. It was still the dominant discussion in the hallways and ballrooms where the group gathered over the weekend. Center-of-the-road names like Lieberman, Kerry and Edwards were bandied about. As was a name that many participants said they were surprised to hear often: that of Gen. Wesley Clark, the former NATO commander. Clark has not declared his candidacy but has said he is considering a run. Supporters say he could go toe-to-toe with Bush on military issues.

<snip>
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/6400042.htm

Another article about this same fabulous meeting in Philly:
Centrist Dems weigh Dean dilemma

“The main theme of the next election is going to be national security,” said Chris Kofinis, a political consultant who attended the DLC gathering and is advising the campaign to draft retired Gen. Wesley Clark as the Democratic candidate.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/945273.asp?cp1=1

More info? You can read Dr. Chris Kofinis' (you know that same DLC consultant mentioned above) PDF Analysis of Zogby Poll Commissioned by DraftWesleyClark.com

Pictures? Looks like everyone had a great time at the New Democrats' Annual Meeting (Photos here)

If you want to listen the 2 hour speech (followed by DLC Q & A) he gave at the New Democrat Network Annual Meeting in DC: (Lieberman & Graham were also present) http://video.c-span.org:8080/ramgen/kdrive/c04061703_newdemocrat.rm

Excerpt, if you don't have 2 hours to listen, here: http://manatt.net/clark.ram

And just to avoid a bunch of inane posts saying that NDN is not DLC- here goes:

DLC AND NDN
Two acronyms that junkies know and that Democratic candidates hear in their sleep. The Democratic Leadership Council, chaired these days by Sen. Evan Bayh and run for 17 years by its founding director, Al From, is the spawning ground of moderate “Third Way” thinking in the party. Bill Clinton was chairman when he launched his own presidential bid in 1991. The New Democratic Network is the DLC’s overtly political cousin, run by an operative named Simon Rosenberg. It doles out cash to candidates and, increasingly, supports independent spending efforts.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/834591.asp?0bl=-0&cp1=1

More about the NDN:

Centrist Democrats launch new agenda
By Hans Nichols

The centrist New Democratic Network (NDN) unveiled a new six-point agenda yesterday that it says can serve as a blueprint for making the Democratic Party the governing force in American politics for the next generation.

<snip>

Several announced and potential Democratic presidential candidates addressed the gathering at a Capitol Hill hotel, including Sens. Joe Lieberman (Conn.) and Bob Graham (Fla.), as well as retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark. Sen. John Kerry (Mass.) addressed the convention by phone, and former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean sent a video greeting.

<snip>

Rosenberg explained in the interview that the network’s revamped agenda and new strategy are the beginning steps of “a 10- to 45-year” plan to elect centrist Democrats to local, state and federal offices.

http://www.hillnews.com/news/061803/centrist.aspx

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About the NDN


The New Democrat Network (NDN) is one of the nation’s most influential political organizations.
NDN promotes a new generation of leaders who advocate economic growth and fiscal responsibility, strong American leadership in world affairs and world markets, a smaller, smarter government, and a progressive approach to social issues that respects family, faith, and community.

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NDN is led by NDN President Simon Rosenberg, with advice from NDN's Advisory Board, a group of leading New Democratic thinkers and strategists. NDN’s Advisory Board includes former Democratic National Committee Chairman Joseph J. Andrew, pollster and Latino electorate expert Sergio Bendixen, former Army Secretary Louis Caldera, former Member of Congress and Chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Vic Fazio, former Member of Congress and Chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council Dave McCurdy, former White House Press Secretary Mike McCurry, former White House Chief of Staff Mack McLarty, and former Federal Trade Commissioner and White House Cabinet Secretary Christine A. Varney.
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Want to know who founded the NDN?

The NDN was founded in 1996 by Senator Joe Lieberman, chairman of the DLC. "NDN acts as a political venture capital fund," a special type of political action committee among political action committees. NDN raises PAC money from many sectors, which they then distribute to their top federal candidates -- Lucas received $10,000 from them. NDN also provides a mechanism for fat-cats to donate directly to candidates without worrying about all those pesky Election Commission limits. Clinton campaign aide, Simon Rosenberg, is now NDN's President. Joe Lieberman is chairman.

The DLC does the same thing, actually. But, by forming the NDN, the DLC contribute more than twice as much to favored candidates.

SHIVER
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:11 AM
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22. Long live the DLC!
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:42 AM
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24. OY!!!
:beer: :scared:
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:40 AM
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23. well uhm, at the harkin steak fry, he said no body did better things
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for health care then Howard Dean.

He also went on to praise the quality of candidates we have. I agree with him. We have many great people to choose from.


OOPS, just saw post #8... ;)
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:43 PM
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25. Clark wasnt even present
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When Clinton spoke of him as a candidate, before Clark ANNOUNCED his candidacy, in the same place where he mentioned Clark as a friend for 38 years, Graham as a friend for 28 years, mentioned the other candidates, and then gave Dean glancing recognition for what he did for health care in Vermont. In politics such damning with faint praise is more harmful than if Clinton had stated "Howard Dean is a smarmy little weasel." If Clark gets the Clinton nod directly, it is all over for most of the other candidates, but mostly Dean.

Clark was likely asked to enter by the Clintons in order to take advantage of the "Washinton Outsider" trnd that tends to be working to a degree for Dean, and Dean is the candidates who will be most harmed by Clarks entry into the run. The others may take small hits, beu inevitably, it is Dean who will be taken down, as he and Clark are the most similar in the race, outsider candidate being the primary thing that Dean has going for him Evenn running the NATOcommand is a bigger job than running Vermont.
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