Zogby: *ALL* Democrats Electable

[tsipple]

DailyKos makes an excellent point regarding the latest Zogby poll results. Here's what they show for specific candidate matchups against Bush:

Bush 45, Clark 35 (-10)
Bush 47, Dean 37 (-10)
Bush 47, Kerry 37 (-10)
Bush 49, Gephardt 37 (-12)
Bush 49, Lieberman 37 (-12)

The point? All the Democrats are electable. We have good people running. The other point is the eventual candidate will need to keep working hard to close that gap and pass it. But it's encouraging.

[JohnKleeb]

1. no shit lol

[tsipple]

3. Not Specifically Polled, But...

Kucinich, Edwards, Braun, Sharpton, and Graham are all electable, too, I would suspect.

The point is that my fellow Democrats ought to quit whining about "electability," since there's no polling data to support a particular candidate's claim there. Instead, why not focus on who's running an effective campaign, on issues, on ability to communicate, on fundraising, and on other attributes needed to unseat Bush?

[JohnKleeb]

6. course they are

I got you on that but I keep on seeing unelectable on Kucinich, and the reasons mostly are very fucked up, his height hes only a couple of inches smaller than Dean, his looks guys are we in a beauty paegant or a presidential primary plus I think hes a ok looking guy, and his "ethnic" and thus unelectable last name wow lets all run with anglo last names. BTW thats a neat thing that his last name is ethnic I like that, I am not being an ass but I think it would be killer to have an Eastern European president, if thats the case this country needs more help than I thought and so that means no women and no minorities. so lol if I run in 2030 should I run as John Smith.

[tsipple]

8. How stupid is that?

I think "electable" is simply a word the DLC uses to describe candidates it supports. :-)

[JohnKleeb]

9. I dunno

it is stupid as hell. Ironic isnt it when you become the DLC in your judgements.

[tsipple]

11. Mother Teresa Was Short

The Pope is short. Robert Rubin is short. So what? Who cares?

[JohnKleeb]

13. yep and Wellstone

who cares if his heart is big thats fine.

[davidinalameda]

12. Kucinich,Braun, Sharpton are NOT electable

Al Sharpton can't get past a primary in New York for any of the various office he has run for.

Braun was defeated for re-election to the Senate because she was too cozy with a African dictator and she was accused of welfare fraud

Kucinich is too left to be elected nationwide

we have 5 candidates that could be viable but only a couple that are definately electable

[JohnKleeb]

14. Ive heard that many times

but we dont know for sure yet, Kerry is pretty left too and hes electable. I tell you this Dennis can win, he has gotten 50% of his district's republican vote. But dwickham at least you didnt use the bullshit I complain about I will give you that.

[Dookus]

15. from the Zogby website...

they DID poll for all the candidates:

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Clark and Dean Share Lead Among Democratic Contenders

Clark and Dean share the lead among Democratic presidential hopefuls, with 12% each. No other candidate reaches double digits, and Kerry leads them with 7%, followed by Gephardt at 6%. Lieberman has 5% of the vote, and civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton and former Illinois Senator Carol Mosley Braun are tied at 4% each.

North Carolina Senator John Edwards has 2%, and Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich and Florida Senator Bob Graham have 1% each.

Polling of Democratic contenders involved 527 likely Democratic primary voters, and has a margin of error of +/- 4.4%.

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Kucinich is at 1%. But at least he can't go down much! ;)

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17. Zogby Didn't Poll All Bush-Versus-Named-Dem Matchups

However, I think the candidates who weren't polled (versus Bush) would show similar results.

[unblock]

2. more to the point, bush is defeatable

more so than when most incumbent run, this election will be VERY much a thumbs up/down on bush.

the democratic candidate will mostly be an innocent bystander, winning because bush lost or losing because bush won ...

or losing because bush lost and cheated ... again ....

[bloom]

4. !!!

"Yet when matched against an unnamed (generic) Democratic presidential contender, Bush would lose that theoretical match-up with just 41%, compared to the Democrat's 45%."

[Feanorcurufinwe]

5. Why has Bush's unfavorable gone down?

Likely voters are now equally divided on President George W. Bush's job performance, with half (50%) saying it is excellent or good and 49% saying fair or poor. Earlier in September, the president's job performance rating reached the lowest point since pre-Inauguration, with 45% positive and 54% negative.

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The President has slightly improved his ‘re-elect’ numbers, where 43% of the likely voters now say he deserves to be re-elected, while nearly half (49%) say they think it is time for someone new. In early September polling, 52% said it was time for someone new, and just two in five (40%) said he deserves re-election.

Pollster John Zogby: "This is a bounce, clearly a reversal of a downward spiral. The President was helped by an appearance before the United Nations in the middle of polling. Americans do like their President to be seen as a leader on the world stage. Bush was also helped by Clark's entrance into the Democratic race, which muddied the waters a bit."

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=739

I don't get it. How could the UN speech help when it was a total failure?

[Punkingal]

7. I suspect it is just those.....

who know he appeared, and nothing else about it.

[tsipple]

10. Margin of Error Stuff

Wait a bit for trends.

[rabid_nerd]

16. Zogby: Bush 48, Gore 46

...

[dusty64]

18. Some good news the

media doesn't want you to know.

[indigo32]

19. These are quite a bit different than the CNN poll

we looked at a few days ago... except that these 5 were all neck in neck there too... but they were all in the margin of error against Bush. Wonder what gives? Certainly we can make up 10 points...we've got over a year yet... but just curious about the difference.