Dean: Clark's A Republican - CBS i-Video

[dArKeR]

No direct link. Top left look for 'CBS News Video'

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/home/main100.shtml

[Meshuga]

1. I can't see the video...

well, I can't get the sound to see what Dean actually said but I hope he didn't say that because he would sound like a desperate jerk.

A month or so ago Dean was delighted to consider this "Republican" as his running mate.

[EagleEye]

3. Dean also said he was surprised to learn Clark used to be a Repug.

..in earlier interviews.

[Josh]

4. That's what I keep thinking -

I understand that Dean wants to regain the momentum and keep his name out there, but he was asking Clark to join his campaign and possibly be his VP nominee just before Clark jumped into the race. This is damaging the chances for these two to be a team in 2004. Maybe that's fine by them, but it does reek of backpedalling.

[Larkspur]

14. No Dean never asked Clark to be his VP

He did invite Clark to join his campaign if he didn't run for President.

Republicans have joined Dean's campaign. Lowell Weicker has endorsed Dean, but these Republicans are not running for the Dem Prez nomination.

[EagleEye]

2. ...or at least he was until 25 days ago."

Dean says he has no problem with Clark voting for Nixon and Reagan, but does have a problem with him saying he voted for Gore then helping the Repugs raise money and praising the Bushcos. Makes sense to me.

[cprise]

8. He wanted to work for Rove in the Bush administration

When he was turned down he began to plan his candidacy.

Then he's on TV blurting "I'M A LIBERAL!".

The Bush campaign was a big lie, and I'm not counting out the possibility that another Republican would run (this time as a Dem) to mislead the public.

[poskonig]

5. I wonder if the Clarkies are doing a poor job defending

against the charge *on purpose* to get swing voters.

Team Clark could get all of the issue details out in the open and end the Clark = GOP controversy once and for all, but they aren't.

[Catch22Dem]

6. What "Charge"

Some people seem to think if you've supported a repuke in the past, you'll always be a repuke. That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard, which is why I don't defend the "charge." I just ignore.

[Kahuna]

9. Dean has been mining for "swing votes." Is it alright for

Dean but not Clark? Some repubs on that "Republicans for Dean" blogsite are very upset about Dean's treating Clark as if being republican is something unclean. One of them wrote that Dean promised to stop attacking repubs because he wants repub votes. Yet he has broke that promise with his behaviour towards Clark. Defend that Deanie.

[Octafish]

7. Takes one to know one.

Is Howard Dean the Crypto-Republican Candidate?

By Norman D. Livergood

Why is the Republican-owned media giving Howard Dean multi-million dollar media attention? That's the question no one's asking.

Dean made the covers of both Time and Newsweek, was interviewed by Larry King, was the subject of a US News Special, and receives continuing major coverage on all the "news" channels: MSNBC, CNN, and Fox.

Even Dean's campaign manager, Joe Trippi, appeared on CNBC's Capital Report, was interviewed on Fox News' Fox Facts, and was interviewed on CNN's Inside Politics--all in July, 2003. Why is Dean the only Democratic candidate to be given this kind of coverage?

The Republicans and their media hirelings would have us believe that they're giving Dean the spotlight because he's an Internet phenomenon, that he's the leading Democratic contender, and because he represents the "Democratic wing of the Democratic Party" (a line Dean stole from the late Senator Paul Wellstone). None of the media's claims are true.

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http://www.hermes-press.com/HDean/dean_republican.htm

[clar]

10. This is tinfoil hat stuff

I disagree strongly with the clark is a repub stuff that Dean's mouthing, but that doesn't make this stuff any more credible. BTW the reason I disagree with Dean's characterization of Clark as repub has nothing to do with the merits of the argument, I just think it's overly agressive, pisses off others and does more harm than good.
None of our candidates are republicans in disguise, including Joe Lieberman. We really need to get off the spite train.

[Meshuga]

12. Many people may potentially start...

to dislike Dean because of that type of comment. He can win the nomination and I hope he doesn't piss off others because he will need support to get Bush out of the white house.

[Octafish]

21. Dean says he's a "fiscal conservative."

Where I'm from, Detroit, that's code for someone who wants to balance the books on the backs of the people. Sounds great when the country is sinking in red ink caused by Reagan, Bush and Bush 2, but the thing is that there are many people suffering.

Dean seems to be changing long-held positions to improve his "electability" in the primaries. Some that come immediately to mind are in the areas of Equal and Civil Rights, Social Security, and the Environment.

PS: I know Dean is a Democrat. And should he be our nominee, I will support him wholeheartedly. Until then, we should all kick the tires and check under the hood.

[Meshuga]

11. Dean is the Repugs dream...

Bush wants to run against Dean because Dean is an easier target for being perceived as weak on defense, raising taxes on the middle class, and a crancky lunatic who can easily lose his temper.

Clark offers swing voters something that is extremely appealing:
- decorated military man
- critic of the president on the war in Iraq
- very intelligent
- very articulate

To me Kerry is the best candidate. I heard someone say that Kerry is the A+ candidate with a C- campaign where Dean is the C+ candidate with an A+ campaign.

[Octafish]

20. Well said, MrWiggles.

Newsweek and US News reported interviewing many GOPers who actually sent money to Dean's campain in the hope the guy is the DEM nominee. Their reasons are the ones you stated. And keeping donations under $25, the campaign doesn't have to report the identities of the donors.

Most importantly: A hearty welcome to DU, Mr. Wiggles! Thanks for reporting the great analysis of the campaigns and candidates.

[Fabio]

22. I agree with that assessment

The good news is that Kerry's campaign is running much better now than say, two months ago. IMHO, they certainly deserve a B grade right now -- a good traditional campaign, especially in NH and Iowa, and an improving effort in the "new paradigm" area -- ie Internet, etc. My proof would be things like polls tightening in NH and Iowa (i gather he is tied with Dean there now), the $1 million on the web (which at June 30th was considered incredible for Dean), the quick reaction time to alot of the current events (ie Rummy resignation/Iraq postwar plan). Also, I think it is safe to say that Kerry's campaign has always had the most developed policy positions throughout the year -- whether you agree with them or not.

At the end of the day, though, Kerry could never have run an A+ campaign in this cycle given his vote on the IWR was unpopular with the grassroots. That is to say, some other candidate who did not vote that way, or came out against the war (ie Dean) were always going to have more "volume" or energy from the grassroots -- and therefore look like they were running a better campaign in comparison. To Trippi/Dean's credit, they have done an excellent job of running their campaign and maximizing this energy.

[Mairead]

17. Looks like a rather right-wing site, to me.

While I certainly don't believe Dean even begins to be the best candidate OR even much of a 'Democrat' as I've always understood the term, my reasons certainly don't map onto that site's thesis.

[Octafish]

18. Hermes blasts BFEE

With all DU respect: Hermes-Press has been on the case for the good guys for a LOOONG time. Check out their stuff about Poppy Bush and the Saudis.

http://www.hermes-press.com/BushSaud.htm

The site is devoted to enlightening people through reason — the sort of idea that started the USA back in 1776. Here's a good example of how these people absolutely BLAST the Bush Organized Crime Family:

The NAZIfication of America, Phase 3

(On the one side)

Weimar Republic President Paul von Hindenburg appointed Adolf Hitler Chancellor even though the Nazis were only a small minority in the German government. On his first day as chancellor, Hitler manipulated Hindenburg into dissolving the Reichstag and calling for the new elections he had wanted - to be held on March 5, 1933. President Hindenburg had fallen under Hitler's spell and was signing just about anything Hitler put in front of him. Hitler began immediately to orchestrate the complete takeover of all mechanisms of governance and functions of state, to make Nazi Germany a totalitarian dictatorship.

February 3, 1933
In a speech to the leading army and navy commanders, Hitler revealed his Lebensraum program for the conquest of "living space" for the German people, rearmament, and resistance to the Versailles Treaty. He spoke of the importance of the military and promised not to involve it in domestic political disputes.

(On the other side)

Bush is foisted on the American public through a coup d'etat of the Supreme Court after massive election fraud perpetrated by his brother in Florida. Thousands of voters were illegally disqualified in the 2000 election in the state of Florida, when Jeb Bush and his Secretary of State compiled a false list of felons who would not be allowed to vote. The Supreme Court was packed with reactionary right-wingers, several of whom had conflicts of interest because of their ties to the Bush family.
Dubya appoints convicted criminals, racists, and corporate-controlled underlings to his cabinet.

January, 2001
Bush pushes his tax cuts for the wealthy through Congress, begins his assaults on the environment, and commands the FBI to stop investigations concerning the Bin Laden family and other suspected terrorist cells.

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http://www.hermes-press.com/nazification_step3.htm

[oregonjen]

13. Why then would Clinton be supporting him?

[Larkspur]

15. To screw Dean's populist appeal

Dean's campaign is a threat to the Dem Dauphins, including Hillary. Bill Clinton, for all his charism, could not inspire the people the way Dean is. Dean is inspiring people to come back into politics to make a change for the better of this county. Clinton never did that.

[liberalnurse]

16. Neither of the Clintons have given endorsements

to any of the democratic candidates...yet.

[Rose Siding]

19. Link?

Is this where everyone just starts making things up?