Dean is a poopiehead!

[acerbic]

I just thought I'd help the rabid Dean haters and start yet another thread with a totally content-free but very flame bait subject line but with the distinction that there's no contrived "content" in here either so there's no need to pretend to "discuss" by spamming the thousand times debunked "arguments" as replies even when you have nothing new to say: you can just obsessively kick the thread to keep the beloved BS subject line on the front page of this forum. That's the main thing and may be enough to convince a few more feeble minded newbies that Dean is worse than Dumbya.

[JaneQPublic]

1. Progressives in his state say he has belly-button lint!

However, the moderates say that's not nearly as reprehensible as the toe jam problem he's been keeping from the public for years!

[wtmusic]

2. Lieberman had both and denied it

[Romberry]

23. Toejam?

Well, that does it. If the man has toejam, I must support Clark. Republicans Generals don't have toejam. Generals don't even have BO. Generals are purrrfect. Too bad Dean is just a lowly doctor and not a purrrfect General. No to toejam! No to poopieheads! :)

[clar]

3. All you're doing

is perpetuating the incivility that's been prevailing here on DU. Brilliant!

[Name removed]

4. Deleted message

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[Padraig18]

14. Die, giant purple dinosaur! DIE

*karate chop to larynx* Die, lizard! DIE! :silly:

[acerbic]

5. Well, I must kick this myself since the competition is so fierce:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=108&topic_id=38692&mesg_id=38692

[Feanorcurufinwe]

6. Content free? Let's add some content then:

"We have to stop terrorism before peace negotiations"
http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.11.22/news3.html

said he didn't "believe stopping the terror has to be a prerequisite for talking."
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/10/elec04.prez.dean.mideast/

Here are two quotes from Howard Dean. Clearly they are not contrived unless I am somehow in control of cnn.com and forward.com They seem to contradict each other. Why? Did he change his mind? Why? Did the situation change? Or just the audience?

Now there is some content to discuss. lol

[AP]

7. There's a perfectly good, flame-free discussion about Dean on race

which I've posted, and which nobody really seems interested in discussiong.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

9. Deafening silence.

That's all I hear about this. No spin issued by the Dean campaign yet on this one?

[virtualobserver]

17. "talking" and formal peace negotiations are not identical

they are quite different stages of the process.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

18. So it's just a coincidence

that Dean says:

"We have to stop terrorism before peace negotiations"
http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.11.22/news3.html

to a publication aimed at a Jewish audience, and

said he didn't "believe stopping the terror has to be a prerequisite for talking."
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/10/elec04.prez.dean.mideast/

to a general audience. No pandering here, folks, move along, nothing to see here...

[kwolf68]

28. LOL

Awesome. See the Dean people championing Libertarian ideology because Libertarians are thinking about Dean?

Shit...These folks would probably join the Nazi Party if Dean did. Idolatry for any politician is a fools game.

[kwolf68]

27. LMAO

Good find...

[acerbic]

8. Another obsessed kick...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=108&topic_id=38692&mesg_id=52007&page=

[Feanorcurufinwe]

12. What subject are you obsessively trying to avoid?

"Sen. Bob Packwood (R-Ore.): I've said many times that I think we should raise the retirement age about the year 2015—raise it by that time to about age 70.

"Howard Dean: I am very pleased to hear Bob Packwood because I absolutely agree we need to reduce the—I mean, to increase the retirement age. There will be cuts and losses of some benefits, but I believe that Sen. Packwood is on exactly the right track."
—CNN's Crossfire, Feb. 28, 1995


"I have never favored Social Security retirement at the age of 70, nor do I favor one of 68."
—AFL-CIO Democratic presidential candidate forum, Aug. 5, 2003
http://slate.msn.com/id/2086804/

That is a direct lie coming out of Howard Dean's mouth to win votes.

[stickdog]

10. Whoo Hoooooooo!

The Poopie One is worse than Poppy & Sons!

[Feanorcurufinwe]

11. Who said what?

Dean also took issue with a characterization by a TV interviewer that he had been a "strong supporter" of NAFTA, the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement. Dean acknowledged that he had supported NAFTA, but took exception to the "strong" part. "I never did anything about it," he said. "I didn't vote on it. I didn't march down in the street demanding NAFTA. I simply wrote a letter (to President Clinton) supporting NAFTA."

The Gephardt campaign subsequently called attention to a transcript of a Jan. 29, 1995 "This Week" show in which Dean told a different interviewer that "I was a very strong supporter of NAFTA."
http://www.n-jcenter.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Politics/NationWorld/03LegislaturePOL03091503.htm

Why can't Dean just state his positions, and if he's changed his mind from his past positions, just say so?
Is it really neccesary for him to continually re-invent himself and his history?

[no name no slogan]

13. Not only that

I heard Howie Dean talkin smack about your mamma, too.

[Le Taz Hot]

15. Excuse me, but . . .

"poopie head" is so 90's! I was corrected by my 4-year-old niece not too long ago when I used this term. I was very matter-of-factly informed that the CORRECT term is now "bootie head."

[Feanorcurufinwe]

16. Another debate, another lie from Dean

Note that Dean gets applause for his 'outrage' at being compared to Gingrich, without addressing the actual charge that he agreed with Gingrich something he admitted to George Stephanopoulos last week:

STEPHANOPOULOS: (Gephardt) also says that in 1995, you specifically supported the 270 billion dollars or so in tax cuts that were called for by Newt Gingrich --

DEAN: I think that's very unlikely.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Here's the document…And it's pretty clear that you said you would accept a seven- to ten-percent cut in the rate of growth of Medicare, which is --

DEAN: Oh, a cutting the rate of growth is much different --

STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, except that the cut in growth rate in 1995 came to 270 billion dollars.

DEAN: I've got to find out…but I fully subscribe to the notion which is to reduce the Medicare growth rate to ten percent or less, I'm sure I said that.

STEPHANOPOULOS: That's what Newt Gingrich was calling for in 1995.
http://www.liberaloasis.com/archives/091403.htm#091603




GEPHARDT: Howard and I just have a basic disagreement. He said in, I think, 1993 that Medicare was the worst federal program ever. He said that it was the worst thing that ever happened.

He also supported, at our darkest hour--when I was leading the fight against Newt Gingrich and the Contract With America, he was shutting the government down--Howard, you were agreeing with the very plan that Newt Gingrich wanted to pass, which was a $270 billion cut in Medicare.

Now, you've been saying for many months that you're the head of the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party. I think you're just winging it.

This is not the view of Democrats, in my view.

This program has been under attack from the Republicans since the beginning. And we need a candidate against George Bush that can take the fight to him on it, not someone who agreed with the Gingrich Republicans.

WILLIAMS: Governor Dean?

DEAN: That is flat-out false, and I'm ashamed that you would compare me with Newt Gingrich. Nobody up here deserves to be compared to Newt Gingrich.

(APPLAUSE)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A433-2003Sep25.html

[deaniebopper]

19. nyah nyah nyah

goo goo goo gaa gaa gaa

[Romberry]

22. Tell me...

How many REPUBLICAN fund raisers did Dean speak at in 2001? Clark?

Thank you.


Next.

[Romberry]

20. LOL!

Kick! Content free. Thought free. Perfect example of the way Clarkies are bashing Dean and just about as accurate. Dean is a poopiehead. Love it!

[Romberry]

21. LOL!

Kick! Content free. Thought free. Perfect example of the way Clarkies are bashing Dean and just about as accurate. Dean is a poopiehead. Love it!

[Feanorcurufinwe]

24. We didn't want anything embarrassing appearing in the papers

In the course of negotiating an unprecedented 10-year period for keeping his official papers confidential, former Vermont governor Howard Dean through his legal counsel explored the possibility of making the privacy period contingent on whether he was running for president, according to newly released documents.

Discussions between the counsel and the state archivist about a potentially longer sealing period centered around the possibility that a future political opponent of Dean's might seize on a document and use it as ammunition, according to the correspondence.

State archivist Gregory Sanford noted that in the talks a primary concern was "the `Willie Horton' example," referring to the furloughed Massachusetts prisoner whose crimes surfaced as an issue in the 1988 contest between Vice President George H.W. Bush and Michael S. Dukakis.

A seal longer than 10 years would have significantly eclipsed periods sought by previous Vermont governors, who traditionally received six-year seals for their official papers.

Dean, who left the governor's office in January 2003 and is now seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, agreed in the end to a decade-long seal -- with no extension -- for nearly half of his official correspondence, meaning the documents will be available for public viewing in 2013. Shortly before he left office, Dean told Vermont Public Radio, "Well, there are future political considerations. We didn't want anything embarrassing appearing in the papers at a critical time in any future endeavor."

In an interview with the Globe in July, he said in response to a request that he waive the seal, "No, it's sealed for a reason."
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/10/09/dean_feared_a_horton_scenario

[Ediacara]

25. and this happens with everyone all the time...

what's your point?

[MercutioATC]

26. The "sealed documents" confirm his "poopiehead" status and he's scared....

Again, these posters can't seem to understand that the vast majority of what Dean said and did is public record and nothing can change that. Personal correspondance and office records are really the bulk of what's covered here...

[Feanorcurufinwe]

29. R.I.P. Acerbic

[w4rma]

30. Acerbic has only been a DUer since 2001. That's all. (n/t)

[Feanorcurufinwe]

31. Good riddance to bad rubbish

I won't miss him or anyone else who believes schoolyard taunts are a substitute for a discussion of the issues.