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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 01:59 PM
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BBC: Joseph Wilson backs Kerry
The BBC, in a profile of Joseph Wilson IV and the Plame Affair, reports Ambassador Wilson backs John Kerry for President. It seems that there may be GREAT support for Kerry in the top ranks of the civil service, like their counterparts in the intelligence community.

Profile: Joseph Wilson

EXCERPT...

Mr Wilson, 53, was a career diplomat from 1976 until 1998, specialising in Africa.

He is now a business consultant. He and Mrs Wilson, his third wife, have three-year-old twins.

He is said to have backed Al Gore in 2000 and to support Massachusetts Senator John Kerry in next year's White House race.

SOURCE:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3156166.stm
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 02:02 PM
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1. He also says he has a long history...
...of voting for the "losing" party. As much as I appreciate his efforts to expose how horrible the Bush regime is in regards intelligence and security, I'll take his endorsements with a grain of salt...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 02:04 PM
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3. Gore didn't lose.
.
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Fabio Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 03:49 PM
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8. please elaborate.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 02:03 PM
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2. YES!!!! Just like Rand Beers.
They know how close Kerry came to exposing the BFEE on BCCI, IranContra and CIA drugrunning. The Bush regime had to give presidential pardons to avoid widespread exposure.

They know Kerry can make the case against the BFEE and can best fix the wrongs committed during their tenure.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 03:38 PM
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7. In total agreement, blm!
The jig is up for the BFEE. They will either declare a national emergency in order to consolidate power, or they will head for their jungle redoubt deep in the Paraguayan wilderness. Built by Rev. Moon off the money collected by Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, the place probably resembles something out of an Ian Fleming thriller, except with gold faucets and marble toilets.

Should Bushler declare martial law, OK. No reason to panic or give up. The good men and women in the civil service — federal, state and local — as well as the men and women in uniform, will have to take sides. Those with the BFEE will be easy to spot. Same goes for those who believe in the US Constitution, a group that includes a sizable fraction (if not majority) of Republicans.

Should Bush get the boot through impeachment or the ballot box and he heads for South America, I volunteer to head the ligation to extradite the crooks and bring them back to justice. I speak Spanish and have a friend who's an honest lawyer. He knows Latin and can get Dan Quayle to come on out.

In the meantime, some inspiration for creative visualization:



On behalf of the good old USA, a great thank you to Mr. and Mrs. Rey!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 01:23 PM
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28. I know you've been waiting a long time
to expose the BFEE, Octafish. We are closer than ever.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 09:31 AM
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21. yup, they know
they know what kerry has done and can do.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 02:05 PM
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4. He Already Maxed Out His Donations!
Wilson put his money where his mouth is. I watched an interview with him on Bill Moyers a few weeks back and he seems like a thoroughly decent guy.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 02:12 PM
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5. Wilson knocked it out of the park on Nightline last night.
The guy is cool, calm and collected. Made certain he got his points across, not always easy in a live interview. The program did a great job of bringing the public up-to-date on the bed-wetting treasonous GOP bastids, too.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 02:36 PM
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6. Between Beers and Wilson the case is really heating up
and they trust Kerry to press that case.
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acerbic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 04:24 PM
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10. So, does Kerry back Wilson?
What is he doing or saying to press the case?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:35 PM
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11. He said Bush needs to deal with "traitors in his midst"
I'm sure that Beers, Wilson and others in the intel community who are supporting Kerry will put together a great case against Bush.

Kerry was a prosecutor early in his career, and an attorney general. He investigated BCCI, uncovered IranContra and CIA drugrunning, he can connect the dots and the intel community knows it.

They are counting on Kerry. Too bad so many here are blinded to what can be accomplished.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 06:48 PM
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13. He has alreadsy pushed for
Special Counsel to be appointed to look into the case:

Democratic Presidential candidate John Kerry said, “This is more than another example of politics driving the Bush Administration. The bottom line is that outing a CIA agent endangers lives, threatens national security and breaks faith with those who put their lives on the line to protect this country. It is outrageous that the President who campaigned with a promise to restore integrity to the White House refuses to get to the bottom of this. No one should shield criminals who compromise national security for political purposes especially if they are on the President’s staff.

“This investigation should be immediately removed from the politics of the Department of Justice. Too many serious questions exist to risk allowing any potential for political intervention. The track record of John Ashcroft and this Justice Department do not adequately assure Americans that legitimate questions will be answered fully without any political bias. A special counsel should be appointed immediately so that we can find out how George Bush let this happen and hold those responsible accountable.”

http://www.johnkerry.com/news/releases/pr_2003_0929b.html
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 08:54 PM
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31. Wilson's coolness underfire is legendary.
Washington APlame, or The Lady's Not for Burning
by Jim Lobe
October 6, 2003...

Louder guns are firing on Wilson who had publicly opposed the war before it was fought and has contributed money to Sen. John Kerry's campaign. He didn't even a file a written report on his findings in Niger, goes one story.. "He's not even a professionally trained intelligence operative, so why take his account seriously?" goes another line of attack.

But even attacking Wilson is a tough target for Republicans whose performance under fire when he was the highest-ranking U.S. diplomat in Baghdad before and during the first Gulf War is virtually legendary. Known for his irreverence and panache, he became a hero to hundreds of expatriates – many of them oilmen who are Republicans by instinct – whom Hussein had threatened to hold as hostages. The elder Bush praised him at the time a "truly inspiring diplomat" and extolled his "courageous leadership".

Valerie Plame and Joseph Wilson are definitely not the best targets for attack, especially for Republicans.

http://www.antiwar.com/ips/lobe100603.html

And he seems to have contributed to the best, most qualified candidate.
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 04:01 PM
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9. And OMG...he was a Republican in the past!
Ummm...blm...why are you castigating Dean for gaining support from past Republicans on one thread and celebrating for Kerry here??

I welcome past Republicans and if Ambassador Wilson wants to indicate he is a Democrat and supports Kerry - great....or, do you think he's "up to mischief"????
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 05:39 PM
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12. Your premise is wrong. Those are current Republicans
Edited on Wed Oct-01-03 05:40 PM by blm
who are switching to vote for Dean in the primary and then switch back. There are also Republicans who are sending money in hopes Dean wins the nomination. I also acknowledge that there are other Republicans who sincerely prefer Dean's centrism.

What's your damage? I'm celebrating that the intel community is supporting Kerry AGAINST Bush. Beers was always a Democrat, and it sounds like Wilson was, too. I'm celebrating the fuller exposure of the BFEE. Why aren't you?
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helleborient Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 10:37 AM
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16. Thanks for the unfounded assumptions..a frequent attack tactic of yours
I'm all-out in support of exposure of Bush and the White House tactics.

I said absolutely nothing to say I wasn't in support of that..but you made a nasty, vicious assumption.

Par for the course...you've done it in the past as well.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 06:44 PM
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27. YOUR attacks on me are sweetness and light?
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 06:44 PM by blm
My replies to you are civil and and much less personal.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 08:04 PM
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14. Just reported on MSNBC....a clip of Wilson saying he does
endorse John Kerry.

I wasn't expecting a public endorsement.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-01-03 09:08 PM
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15. More...he will be on the foreign policy team.
Excellent. An honest man.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 10:55 AM
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17. Add one vote to Kerry's total.
At this rate...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 10:58 AM
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18. Kerry's gone after the BFEE. Wilson's going after the BFEE.
A lot of DUers are going after the BFEE.

Once all the American people discover why, they'll go after the BFEE, too.

I'm sure ex-governor ex-doctor ex-stockbroker Dean would, too, if he knew about such things.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 03:22 PM
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22. Ahem. Kerry ain't going after shit.
He's a churchmouse.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 09:59 PM
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24. Churchmouses don't jump off their boat to chase down and kill an enemy.


BTW: Your guy had a bad back the day he went to take his draft physical, bringing a note from his orthopedic surgeon. That winter he spent skiing at Vale, celebrating his good luck while some poor schmuck from Hoboken, or wherever he couldn't get a doctor to sign a note, took his place. That's some kind of chickenshit behavior, Dean.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 10:01 PM
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25. Smart guy.
Why put your ass on the line for a corporation?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:03 AM
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32. That accusation doesn't match with the record.
.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:19 AM
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33. OK, I'll add......"...in the last 15 years."
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 02:18 PM
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36. you can add it but, it's still not accurate
in regard to Kerry's record of the last 15 years, too.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-03 05:33 PM
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20. It was a joke.
I thought it was funny, but I've been wrong before.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-03-03 05:13 PM
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23. Then why
Edited on Fri Oct-03-03 05:16 PM by Nicholas_J
Is the head of the RNC accusing Wilson of Democratic Party Politicking because he has contributed money to the Kerry campaign?


He said the White House has stepped deeper into the controversy by noting that Kerry's campaign received a political contribution from the agent's husband, Joseph Wilson, a former U.S. ambassador to Iraq.

``So the White House is saying that because Joe Wilson supports somebody for president, that it was therefore justifiable for them to release the name of his wife as a CIA agent and break the law,'' said Kerry, who made stops in Dallas, Austin and Houston.

``That's very interesting logic.... I think they've made their own situation worse.''

http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/6910249.htm

The fact that Wilson was made an ambassador by the prior Bush Adminstration is irrelevant. Such thigs are quite common in diplomatic selections.

Wilson has stated that his politics are decidedly left of center and has voted democrat fairly consistantly.

One must remember Gerogge Tenet, who is vociferouly attacked as one of Bush's minions is a hold over from the Clinton Administration.

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 12:42 AM
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26. i get tired of this
i know politics is important at times when people accuse others of things. but in this case there are facts, and what they are trying to do is take attention away or to justify those facts by bringing up the politics of the person. the facts being that the cia agent was named and given to reporter(s). kerry's response was just what i had been thinking and wanting people to say when they bring up wilson's politics. good job kerry.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 01:34 PM
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29. Wilson is an excellent speaker and thinker. This is big for Kerry!
Kerry can use all the endoresements he can get. His steam is finally building up again, and for that I'm thankful.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 03:37 PM
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30. Wilson is one brave hombre. Look who he knows...


Wilson was the last US diplomat to meet with Saddam Hussein in the days before Gulf War 1. Wilson also helped protect and evacuate hundreds of American citizens in Iraq.



Wilson was rewarded for his efforts by the nominal head of the BFEE, Poppy Bush, the guy who helped arm Saddam Hussein throughout the 1980s and then, as president, encouraged Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.

Wilson has got to be brave to know these two.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-07-03 10:27 AM
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34. i wonder
which one he finds more frightening to be around ?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-03 02:12 PM
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35. Good question. Probably Poppy. Worst of all, though is W.
That boy is plumb loco and he's dangerous.

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,216411,00.jpg

Armed and dangerous.
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