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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:16 PM
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John Kerry is a dishonest, lying politician...
The Boston Globe's Brian McGrory is stunned at Sen. John Kerry's assertion that if Howard Dean doesn't "stand by his word" on using public matching funds, then he "is unqualified to be president."

"So let's go back to 1996, to Kerry's reelection campaign against then-Governor Bill Weld, specifically to the night Weld met Kerry at the senator's wife's Beacon Hill mansion. They finalized an unprecedented agreement to limit advertising spending to $5 million apiece, and to limit the use of personal funds in the campaign to $500,000 apiece."

"But a funny thing happened on the way to Election Day. Kerry didn't just violate the deal, he pulverized it. Running out of money in the waning days of October, Kerry mortgaged and remortgaged" his home and ultimately poured "$1.7 million in personal funds into his campaign.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/002969.html

In 1992, for example, Kerry announced he was going to launch an initiative on race, crime, and the problems of urban America. He gave the opening speech of a promised series at Yale University, warning about the costs of a "culture of dependency. . . . We must ask whether is the result of a massive shift in the psychology of our nation that some argue grew out of the excesses of the 1960s, a shift from self-reliance to indulgence and dependence, from caring to self-indulgence, from public accountability to public abdication and chaos," the former antiwar protester said.

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It was a daring speech for a liberal politician. To some, it appeared as if Kerry was genuflecting toward Little Rock, where Bill Clinton was running for president on a platform that included personal accountability, "ending welfare as we know it," and support for capital punishment -- and might need a northern Democrat to balance the ticket that November. After Clinton chose a fellow southerner, Senator Al Gore of Tennessee, as his running mate, Kerry quietly dropped the series of speeches he had promised to make on race relations.

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/062103_p.shtml

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Although he depends significantly less than Weld on his large-donor base and refuses to take PAC contributions, Kerry is not without his major benefactors, both inside and outside Massachusetts.

As a member of the Commerce, Science and Technology Committee, Kerry played a key role in the debate over telecommunications deregulation last year. Months after being named a "lifetime hero" by the Consumer Federation of America, Kerry sided against consumer-backed amendments to the deregulation bill that would have capped cable television rate increases and basic service charges. On June 10, 1995, just five days prior to joining 80 other Senators in passing the landmark legislation, Kerry received $28,000 from partners of Mintz, Levin, Cohn, Ferris, Glovsky & Popeo, a Boston law firm whose partners have given him $112,046 since 1984. Perhaps not coincidentally, the firm represents a number of corporations with interests in telecommunications deregulation, including Tele-Communications Inc., Time Warner Inc., Turner Broadcasting, and the National Cable Television Association.

While he is one of only four Senators to eschew PAC money, Kerry has had no problems accepting contributions from Maryland, Virginia, and Washington, D.C. residents – many of whom were lobbyists – totaling $299,861 over the past five years. During that same period, numerous trips to New York, California, Florida, and Texas have netted $463,353, $367,503, $176,099, and $95,796, respectively. Between January 1, 1991 and March 31, 1996, out-of-state donations accounted for half the large contributions Kerry collected.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/money/archive/money051796.htm

Kerry’s criticism of Dean for possibly abandoning campaign spending limits sounds pious now, but it ignores the reality of ’96 campaign – when Kerry “pulverized” a deal in his Senate campaign. Headline from column by Brian McGrory in yesterday’s Boston Globe: “Hard to pull for Kerry” Excerpt: “John Kerry was asked recently about the possibility that Howard Dean might forgo public matching funds in his bid for the nomination, thereby avoiding spending limits. Dean had indicated that he would accept the funds, but now is considering reversing his strategy, much like George W. Bush. And here's what Kerry said: ‘Somebody who wants to be president ought to keep their word. I think it goes to the core of whether you are a different politician or a politician of your word or what you are.’…if I'm interpreting him correctly, is accusing Dean of not being a man of his word, and a man who doesn't live up to his word, Kerry is essentially saying, is unqualified to be president. So let's go back to 1996, to Kerry's reelection campaign against then-Governor Bill Weld, specifically to the night Weld met Kerry at the senator's wife's Beacon Hill mansion. They finalized an unprecedented agreement to limit advertising spending to $5 million apiece, and to limit the use of personal funds in the campaign to $500,000 apiece. Good government types hailed the agreement as a major breakthrough. Kerry and Weld basked in the plaudits of editorialists the nation over. Kerry described the pact as ‘a model for campaign reform across the country.’ But a funny thing happened on the way to Election Day. Kerry didn't just violate the deal, he pulverized it. Running out of money in the waning days of October, Kerry mortgaged and remortgaged the Louisburg Square house, ultimately pouring $1.7 million in personal funds into his campaign. For those of you keeping track at home, that's $1.2 million more than the agreement allowed. As he made a mockery of the pact, he did something else distinctly distasteful. He accused Weld of violating the agreement, a charge that seemed specious at best, an outright lie at worst. At issue was a discount Weld received from the standard fee his media consultant would reap from all ad spending. It allowed Weld to buy about $400,000 more in ads for his $5 million. Every good campaign negotiates a discount, and the written agreement did not preclude them. Kerry claimed it was a violation of a rule that, well, was never written down. Still, yesterday, he repeated the charge. ‘The Kerry campaign took appropriate action to level the playing field,’ said spokeswoman Kelley Benander, adding, ‘The situation with Howard Dean is much more serious.’ Sure he did, and sure it is. I've had my fair share of exposure to Kerry, having spent time covering his policies and politics…The unvarnished truth is, I want to like him. I want to write positively of him. I want to highlight his great potential, his uncanny ability to grasp the human plight. But then he whines or haplessly hollers or passes blame as he feels every bump, every conceivable slight, along an uncommonly gilded path. In this campaign, his answers on the famous Iraq vote aren't nuanced, they're ridiculous. His overall message isn't muddled, it's nonexistent. Dean, it appears, entered the race because he wanted to win. Kerry is running because he thought he could win. The thing is, I know for a fact that Kerry can do better, and hopefully, eventually, he will. But unless and until he does, the voters of Iowa and New Hampshire can do better as well.”(9/17/2003)

http://www.iowapresidentialwatch.com/wannabes/Kerry/kerrySept2-2003.htm




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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:24 PM
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1. We really shouldn't be doing this
but I admit virtually everything else has been tried. If this works kudos. If not, as I fear it won't, then sadly the discourse is even worse. I do hope that this gets the Dean bashers to wake up but somehow I doubt it.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:36 PM
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7. discussion of issues always works
this, however, is spam. I say spam in that not a single comment is offered in the original post regarding the merit of or in support of the charges. From what I can see the iowapresidentialwatch has it in for Kerry and their comments are a bit prejudiced.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:40 PM
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8. Unlike the following sources all of which have been sited in regards Dean
Counterpunch, WeeklyStandard, Newsmax, National Review and National Review Online. I don't recall you even once complaining about the quality of sourcing in an anti Dean post. Not even once.
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:46 PM
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11. You're right...
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:52 PM
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14. As you well know I have tried and tried
to end this crap to no avail. I don't like the tactics this thread represents but admit that I have no idea whatelse to do.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:09 PM
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15. The point of this post is what - that Kerry is not perfect - or as perfect
as Dean, or Bush?

Some of the points are silly and would not make it past a laugh test - others need detail that is not provided - so one can assume they do noy have damning detail - just spin.

I agree with the others that suggest this kind of bashing thread (not your post to it - just the thread) is not needed unless their is a real queation that needs to be answerred - and I do not see such in this thread.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:25 PM
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:27 PM
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3. Great Signature Line
Irony is alive and well at DU.

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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:27 PM
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4. Alot of good a post like THIS does for the cause....
I mean, REALLY!!!!!!
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:33 PM
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5. This board is getting rediculous...
For every negative post there are five nasty rebuttals. It never ends...
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:36 PM
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6. Yet when I suggest we need standards I am called names
and ridiculed go figure.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:41 PM
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10. I guess people just like...
bashing. They use the board like stress relief. :-)
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:50 PM
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13. I guess so...
Edited on Thu Oct-16-03 02:52 PM by sfecap
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:16 PM
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21. Yeah he has to keep kicking his own damn post up
:crazy:
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:41 PM
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9. "Mind bullets"
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 02:46 PM
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12. kerry should quit grasping at straws and get off his
high freakin' Lyin' horse and come down and join reality.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:11 PM
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16. Yeah! Be like Dean. Be Stupid!
Stupid is good! Stupid is Dean! Yeah! Stupid!

"I'm from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party."

"I'm a centrist."

Which is it? Both? That's stupid.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:13 PM
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17. Chuckle!
You always crack me up, octafish. :)
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:15 PM
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19. your attempt at elevating the discourse
is much appreciated </sarcasm>
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:45 PM
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24. kerry is trying but he can't be "like" Dean!
Dean is unique so kerry should just be himself only without the lying.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:14 PM
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18. Do they get it?
I think some people get it and some people don't. These sorts of attack threads don't help anything. Will the Kerry supporters see that or will they chalk this up as another attempt by Dean supporters to sully the sterling reputation of Kerry? I believe the latter will be the case.

We don't have to close ranks just yet, but remember the supporters you are calling 'blind' and 'stupid' today are the same supporters you will have to link arms with after the primaries to defeat Bush.
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sfecap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:16 PM
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20. No, they don't.
n/t
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MrPeepers Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:22 PM
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22. The ONLY thing this thread has done
is make me think less and less of Dean supporters. This is just blatant candidate bashing and it's disgraceful. It's people like you who make me dislike Dean so very much. Kudos to the Dean folks who've tried to shoot this stuff down.

Peepers
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 03:24 PM
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23. While I whole heartedly disapprove of this tactic
I wonder what you thought of the thread this mimics and the many others....
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MrPeepers Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 04:05 PM
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25. This is what I thought.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 04:17 PM
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26. There are some kerry supporters who are always
bashing DEan..they get on practically every positive DEan post
and insert their negativity..

I know there are some kerry supporters who Don't act like that so it's kinda like real life ..

"there's some in every crowd"
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