Like Edwards' ideas? Dean does

[DemDogs]

From a post on Edwards' blog: <http://blog.johnedwards2004.com/article.pl?newsid=&sid=03/10/17/1841246&mode=nested&commentsort=1>

dean completely stole edwards' line on tax policy! look at what edwards said on hardball:

"I think the president is shifting the tax burden in this country from wealth and the wealthy to work and the middle class... He wants to eliminate the capital gains tax, the dividends tax, the taxation of billion-dollar estates, all taxes either on wealth or passive unearned income from wealth. That tax burden gets shifted straight to working people."

and look at what dean said THREE DAYS LATER!

"these tax cuts are an effort to shift the tax base in this country from wealth to labor. under the president's program, working people's wages make up a higher and higher portion of total tax revenue while all the income you don't have to earn -- estates, dividends, and capital gains -- is exempted further from taxation."

wealth to work.... wealth to labor? i cant believe dean did this

[Skwmom]

1. One of the Kerry supporters posted that Dean co-opted Kerry's

stance on the environment.

[pruner]

2. than it must be true…

:eyes:

[DemDogs]

3. No other explanation here --

Edwards has been saying this for six months. Dean said it this week for the first time. I didn't say stole, but, hey, you got another explanation?

[mbali]

25. Governor, have you no shame?

"Yet even with all those zeroes, the true cost of the administration’s approach isn’t what they’ve done with our money, it’s what they want to do to our way of life. Their economic vision has one goal: to get rid of taxes on unearned income and shift the tax burden onto people who work. This crowd wants a world where the only people who have to pay taxes are the ones who do the work.

"Make no mistake: this is the most radical and dangerous economic theory to hit our shores since socialism a century ago. Like socialism, it corrupts the very nature of our democracy and our free enterprise tradition. It is not a plan to grow the American economy. It is a plan to corrupt the American economy and shrink the winners’ circle."

---John Edwards, Address On Rewarding Work And Creating Opportunity, June 17, 2003

[w4rma]

39. Dean's response.

…
"I think at this point, every time somebody else has a good line, the other person uses it," said Howard Dean, the former governor of Vermont, after seven of the nine candidates appeared Wednesday at a labor forum in Waterloo. "I haven't done it yet, but I'm going to do it for sure. The lines I want to steal are {Al} Sharpton's lines, though. He has the best lines of anybody; there's no question about it."
…
Edwards also has released a health care plan that focuses on cost control, a centerpiece of Kerry's proposal, and he also has taken to using phrasing Kerry has long employed to criticize Bush's economic record.

"My idea for starting a real recovery in America is to make sure that George. W. Bush loses his job as president of the United States," Edwards said Wednesday at the labor forum.
…
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/08/17/democrats_recognize_a_good_line
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/965449/posts

[LoZoccolo]

4. You should be happy.

Because Dean's probably going to win.

If there's a good way of doing something, it's a wonder they all wouldn't be on the same page with it.

[LoZoccolo]

5. I take that back.

Clark could win too.

I don't mean he could win as well as Dean, because there can only be one nomination, but it's possible he could win.

[DemDogs]

7. Happy that a someone who could deliver another candidate's speech . . .

could be our party's nominee? He completely took Edwards' ideas and, without giving any credit, said them like they were his ideas, and I am supposed to respect that? I can't believe he did this with a straight face.

Dean has NO ideas of his own, NONE, ZERO. If he is our nominee he won't win on other people's ideas. So, no, it doesn't make me happy that the fellow leading the polls in NH has so little integrity.

[Skwmom]

19. You should read the post praising Dean for being so intelligent

when all he is doing is restating a article penned by Krugman. These are strange times that we live in.

[AP]

15. He didn't do this when he was governor. How do we know he...

...isn't just saying this for votes now?

Has he had another deathbed conversion?

[pandatimothy]

6. So they both agree on taxation

Franky this country needs to tax everybody more and more but hey Dean can win and Edwards can't.

Dean isn't stealing anything. He recognizes good tax policy when he sees it and knows what is right for this country.

[DemDogs]

9. Edwards is the one who can win

Any state by state analysis will tell you that Edwards can win and Dean cannot. But even if that were true, is taking Edwards' ideas on taxation (or Kerry's on environment if that is right) without attribution okay in your view because "electability" is a good excuse for bad conduct?

Well, its not. The Democratic party is more than any individual. It is a collection of ideals and principles including personal integrity and humility. Adherence to those ought to be the test for nomination because it will be the test for election, a test Dean seems less likely to pass every single day.

[pandatimothy]

11. Edwards versus Dean

He 100% unelectable despite having a few good ideas.

Bush would beat him even in NC.

Can you vote for a pro- Oil War candidate?

[Rooktoven]

21. 100% unelectable my ass

JE is more electable because he has a cooler head and saves his fire for Bush. You think Dean would do better than Edwards in NC? I sincerely doubt it-- and that goes for all of the south _and_ the mid-west.

Don't dis Edwards, he is going to surprise a lot of people.

[last_texas_dem]

61. On NC, you could be right...

...still pretty heavily Repug, and President-elect Al Gore showed that Southern Democrats can still have big troubles in their home states. But my question, regarding Dean, is, can you expect him to do any better in the southern states? I know many Dean supporters cite his NRA A+ rating which, I agree could be an asset, but w/ the NRA as openly a Re:puke: organization as it has become, can they be expected to endorse anyone other than *, and can the majority of gun owners be expected to choose Dean over * when on the majority of social issues, if not economic issues, * likely represents their views better anyway? It may have not worked for Gore, but it really does help in the south to be a native son. If the south isn't where Dean would do better, what other states could Dean be expected to carry that a candidate Edwards couldn't?

[surfermaw]

87. Bush would beat most any democrat in North Carolin...Bigoted State

[AP]

16. Deathbed conversion for Dean. He told Cato he didn't have

enthusiasm for tax policy that other democrats have.

[dsc]

37. Your only source for that is

the Weekly Standard. To your credit you disavowed another posters use of Safire. How on earth is this any different?

[AP]

41. Excited utterance.

The Weekly Standard was telling the truth to get libertarians excited about Dean. Also, the article includes Dean quotations. Is Dean claiming he didn't say those things?

Saffire, I discount out of hand because he has a history of lying. I didn't read the article so I don't know if there's any reason to distrust or trust whatever he claims.

[gully]

59. huh?

[RevolutionStartsNow]

8. Yes, but it's true!

This is what the president has done. They are both right, and I am glad they are both saying it.

[DemDogs]

10. They aren't "both" right. Edwards is right. Dean parrots Edwards

That's like saying the guy who leaned over and copies your correct answer on the test was also "right"

[pandatimothy]

12. But he would come out with the right answer and outcome, RIGHT?

n/t

Copying someone else is only wrong IF YOU THINK IT IS.

[AP]

17. Again, w/o record of doing this as Gov, it's just talk...

...to get elected.

[Pez]

54. yeah; lines are one thing, policies are another...

...dean has been "evolving" when politically convenient, lifting the most popular alternative energy policy, economic plan from other candidates... i'd rather have a president who can come up with ideas on his own and can improvise when the situation arises, picking the best direction from his own experience rather than relying on other people to "diagnose" for him...

borrowing (or whatever you want to call it) effective lines from others' speeches that reflect your own platform is one thing-- the candidates all seem to agree on that from the articles i read-- but coopting policy because you want to gank supporters is entirely different...

[pruner]

13. unless the teacher caught the guy or someone ratted him out…

his answer would be marked correct.

I know this doesn't really address the issue… I'm just pointing out that your analogy isn't that great.

[DemDogs]

43. It's wrong

That's the point. Edwards' policy has gotten a lot of good commentary. When Dean adopts it because he agrees, that's fine. What's not fine is standing up and saying it like it's his idea.
And caught or not, it is wrong.
It's not what you can get away with (that's Bush's way of thinking), its whats right.

[AP]

14. He knows media is ignoring Edwards so he can hijack the message

with impunity even though he never revealed an impulse to apply this philosophy when he was Governor.

Shame on him.

[Rooktoven]

23. And WHY is the media ignoring Edwards???

Methinks they dont want strong competiton for shrub.

[w4rma]

24. Dean was ignored up until he out fund-raised the other Dems.

Big media, in general, doesn't want Dems to win as we'll try to limit their power. But, the media listens to money and Dean is the best fundraiser the Democratic Party has ever had.

[AP]

29. March 11, 2003. Maral Liasson (NPR/Fox) gave Dean a big

boost among his target demographic -- NPR listeners.

That was the first time I thought to myself, hmmm. This guy's getting promoted by the media.

http://discover.npr.org/features/feature.jhtml?wfId=1188565

[w4rma]

32. AP, IMHO, you've gone off the deep end. NPR has only interviewed Dean?

The 2004 Democratic Presidential Candidates
Read Transcripts of the Interviews

NPR presents transcripts of a series of Morning Edition interviews with the 2004 Democratic presidential candidates. Transcripts will be posted when the interviews air.

Aug. 18, 2003
Sen. John Kerry

July 2, 2003
Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean

June 13, 2003
The Rev. Al Sharpton

May 27, 2003
Sen. Joe Lieberman

May 20, 2003
Sen. Bob Graham

May 14, 2003
Rep. Dennis Kucinich

May 6, 2003
Former Sen. Carol Moseley-Braun

March 6, 2003
Rep. Richard Gephardt

January 30, 2003
Sen. John Edwards
http://www.npr.org/programs/specials/democrats2004/transcripts/

[AP]

42. Mara Liasson wasn't interviewing. She was spinning. It was a news report.

That biatch and I go wayback. I've been complaining about her spin long before March 11, 2003. Did you listen to the story?

I know that when I argue about NPR I get a lot of resistence from people who want to believe it's neutral. And I know there are conspiracy theorists who say it's controlled by the CIA. I'd like to think that the truth is in the middle, and that I've put my finger on it.

And I'm confident of my interpretation of that interview -- it was spin to get the anti-war crowd interested. I wouldn't be surprised if Mara got the wink and nod from Karl Rove to build Dean up and that that was the first time they did it.

When did Dean get HIS Bob Edward's interview, by the way?

[AP]

27. Yep. It's the same reason they're destroying Clark...

....and probably push polling for Dean in VT.

The media is trying to control the outcome of this election.

[AP]

18. Dean won't give Kucinich credit for Iraq stance and won't give

Edwards credit for having an honest committment to the tax policy he just hijacked.

Nice.

[Skwmom]

20. Don't forget the co-opted line from Wellstone "I'm from the Democratic

Wing of the Democratic Party." Any writers out there? A really good long article would be Dean - the Manufacturing of a Presidential Candidate. It would be hilarious and would show how easily the masses are fooled by marketing and spin.

[killbotfactory]

26. ...

[w4rma]

28. That is bull, AP. Why do you make me waste my time correcting you?

…
CALLER: Yes, hello. Many Democrats voted to go to war, why are they now seeming to back track and withdraw their support to President Bush. And do you agree -- do you not agree with the war any more and trying to win the 2004 elections because no weapons of mass destruction were found? I think...

KING: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut her, but I think we get the gist of the question -- governor. DEAN: I'm not sure the caller understood that I did not support the war and only one of the four or five candidates that you have spoken for tonight. All though, Bob Graham didn't support war and Dennis Kucinich didn't support the war either. But the candidates you have spoken about Lieberman, Senator Kerry, Representative Gephardt and Senator Edwards did all support the war. I didn't support the war because I don't think the president made the case. I supported the president, as I said before, in Afghanistan because I thought that was a matter of national security. I supported the first Gulf War. But you don't send troops to war without explaining clearly and frankly to the American people why they have to go. And what this president said was, mainly, gave -- made a number of assertions that were not factual.

The argument that I make and some people say as Senator Lieberman did if you didn't support the Gulf War you can't be elected president. I actually believe, that if you're a Democrat and did support the Gulf War, it calls into question your judgment in one of the most serious question or actions any president will have to take, which is sending American citizens to die on a foreign land. When you make that decision you ought know the facts. You ought to ask a lot of questions. If I can figure out that the facts weren't accurate, why couldn't they figure that out in Washington? So, I think not supporting the war is an advantage principally because it shows that I am willing to use very, very tough judgment and it stands against the grain of the president of the United States and many Americans and standing up for what I believe in. Just as John F. Kennedy did in during the Cuban missile crisis in 1962.
…
http://www.cnn.tv/TRANSCRIPTS/0308/04/lkl.00.html

[AP]

30. Last debate Kucinich seemed pretty worked up about Dean

not giving him credit.

[w4rma]

34. Nope.

…
KUCINICH: We have to bring our troops home. They're targets right now.

DEAN: Can I tell why I disagree?

KUCINICH: Yes, finish.

DEAN: First of all, let me tell you what I agree with you about. And in all due respect to John and Joe and Wes and John Edwards and Dick Gephardt, maybe you thought the war was a good idea and maybe you thought it wasn't a bad idea. It wasn't a good idea.

The problem is that we empowered the president to run roughshod over us in the last election because nobody stood up to him on the October vote. If you all had voted no, we could have gone out and made our case to the American people. But instead you didn't vote no.

KUCINICH: You said no, and that's not true. I led the effort. Do you want to correct that statement?

DEAN: No, no, I didn't mention you. I didn't mention you.

Now if I can explain what my position on Iraq is, it's this. Now that we're there...
…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5841-2003Oct9.html

[DemDogs]

45. Just as John F. Kennedy?

"Just as John F. Kennedy did in during the Cuban missile crisis in 1962." Absolutely intolerable.

You haven't disproved anything AP said. You have ignored his quotations in Weekly Standard. Everyone here disagrees with their opinion pieces but their reporting on quotations has never been attacked.

[DemDogs]

44. Exactly, AP

and I like the idea of an article pointing out where these ideas come from (and the same could be done for the Vermont programs he now boasts about) -- it could give him credit where they are his and give credit to the real architects of policies he adopts as his own. Every candidate should be subject to this. What was so great about Edwards' description of what Bush was doing is that absolutely no one else was pointing it out until he did.

[gully]

58. Give me a break. Dean has an opinion of his own...Which BTW

differs with both the men you noted.

Aren't Democrats allowed to 'agree' on anything? :eyes:

[DemDogs]

66. And that opinion is . . . .

How about some examples of something that is Dean's, just Dean's.

[AP]

67. and how 'bout examples of things he believes now that he did as governor.

He SAYS now that he doesn't like energy deregulation now, but he was an ardent supporter of it when he had some control over the issue.

He SAYS that he wants to use the tax code to shift the tax burden off the working class and back on to the super wealthy, but he raised a lot of sales taxes (OK, I agree that sales tax on cigarettes is good), and, when he ran surpluses he gave the top tax bracket the same tax cut he gave the bottom brackets.

I don't know what energy policy he thinks is so great now, but, as governor, I understand that he thought coal fired electricity plants were great.

[w4rma]

22. Good! When everyone started using Dean's lines, I said GOOD, also. (n/t)

[AP]

31. Yeah. Maybe Edwards will start talking about anti-male gender discrimin-

ation when he "talks bluntly" about, ahem, race.

[LizW]

33. Well, it's not exactly a deep economic theory

It is a statement of readily observable facts that anyone who hasn't been in a coma for the past two years could figure out. I can't imagine that Edwards was the first person to say this, either.

But who said it first is beside the point, anyway. What matters is that this is a truth, and a very important truth that needs to be repeated often, by as many people as possible, so that American voters hear and internalize it.

Frankly, I'm glad if our candidates are listening to each other and echoing each other's strongest truths about the Bush junta.

[mbali]

35. If the shoe were on the other foot . . .

Howard Dean would be trumpeting that he was the "ONLY candidate" to point out that Bush was shifting the tax burden from wealth to work and would now be loudly letting everyone know that Edwards had co-opted his line and his observation.

I sincerely doubt that if Edwards - or any other candidate - had stolen Dean's lines and positions, Dean would be commending them for listening and echoing.

[w4rma]

38. Nope.

…
"I think at this point, every time somebody else has a good line, the other person uses it," said Howard Dean, the former governor of Vermont, after seven of the nine candidates appeared Wednesday at a labor forum in Waterloo. "I haven't done it yet, but I'm going to do it for sure. The lines I want to steal are {Al} Sharpton's lines, though. He has the best lines of anybody; there's no question about it."
…
Edwards also has released a health care plan that focuses on cost control, a centerpiece of Kerry's proposal, and he also has taken to using phrasing Kerry has long employed to criticize Bush's economic record.

"My idea for starting a real recovery in America is to make sure that George. W. Bush loses his job as president of the United States," Edwards said Wednesday at the labor forum.
…
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/08/17/democrats_recognize_a_good_line
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/965449/posts

[RevolutionStartsNow]

36. Exactly, it's about getting the message out

And while I realize the candidates want to distinguish themselves from one another, I also think it's important to get a strong message out there. This one, that Bush is shifting the tax burden, is important.

[Duder]

40. True...

Somewhat like what Gephardt said in 1998:

"They shift the tax burden down the scale, lightening the load on the wealthy. This is the cruelest kind of class warfare by the wealthy, for the wealthy, paid for on the backs of working people."

[DemDogs]

46. Edwards saying something no one else was

It seems obvious when Edwards points it out. But it did not seem obvious to commentators and politicians before he said it.

And it is good if Dean repeats it. But it is bad, very bad, if he says it as if it was his idea. It's dishonest.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

47. If you think this is "original" thinking...

"I think the president is shifting the tax burden in this country from wealth and the wealthy to work and the middle class... He wants to eliminate the capital gains tax, the dividends tax, the taxation of billion-dollar estates, all taxes either on wealth or passive unearned income from wealth. That tax burden gets shifted straight to working people."


This line of thought is at least 20 years old, dating back to the Reagan era. Google "shifting tax burden" and sit back and enjoy. The only thing that I can guarantee you is that Edwards wasn't the first, nor will he be the last, to make this simple observation.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

56. You are right, of course...

but instead of praising both Dean and Edwards for hitting the nail on the head about Bush's tax shifting, it's much more fun to bash Dean for STEALING! After all, we don't really want to win in 2004.

[DemDogs]

68. War on work is original

And I did google as you suggested and stand by my statement. Complaints about trickle down are not the same thing -- that is more like what Dean had sort-of been saying before this week.
Dean's speech is a radical shift in Dean's rhetoric and mirrors almost exactly what Edwards has been applauded for saying for months.
If it was so obvious and well-known, what the heck took Dean so long?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

78. I hate to break it to you...

But as one who has witnessed 3 of Dean's speeches over the last 9 months, he's been saying it all along.

[Name removed]

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[polpilot]

49. As ALWAYS Dean researches and delivers THE BEST AVAILABLE.

Dean '04...America's New Leader

[mbali]

50. Oh, Brother!

Do Dean people think that their candidate can't ever make a misstep or do anything wrong?

Dean supporters' insistence on the infallibility of all things Dean, along with their attempts to spin everything he says and does into something sublime, precious and unprecedented is growing real old real fast.

[polpilot]

51. #'s climbing...climbing..news flash from the past: 'Dean's from a really,

really small state', Dean can't win', 'look at his poll #'s', 'nobody likes him', 'he's not a REAL democrat'....and on and on.... UNTIL...
President Dean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dean '04...The New Democratic Leader of The NEW Democratic Party..

[mbali]

53. Completely unresponsive

to my point.

Why am I not surprised?

[polpilot]

62. I'll play. State your point___________________________________.

Dean'04...The New Democratic Leader of The NEW Democratic Party.

[DemDogs]

65. How 'bout your guy has the same integrity level as the guy in the WH

and you won't admit it when he is wrong.
He had to be told three times that he needed to credit Paul Wellstone, who could no longer speak for himself, when he mis-used "I'm from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party" (If you want to ask about mis-use, direct your questions to the Vermonters who left the Vt Democratic Party exasperated with Dean in order to form a true Democratic Party.

He lied about Edwards at the California Democratic Convention, apologized.

He treated Graham as if he didn't exist, called him to say he was sorry, then said on Meet the Press that he wasn't apologizing when he said he was sorry.

He never, ever credits Kucinich, who is the candidate, based on the issues, that most Dean-ites think they are supporting.

He completely lied (strong word, but no other will do) when he said at the CBC debate that he was the only candidate who talked to white audience about civil rights. Two things wrong with this: he is not the only one, and his reference to race is all about him: "I was 21 when MLK was killed" -- end of reference. Look at how Lieberman (even Lieberman) and definitely Edwards always say and learn what it means to really talk about race to every single audience.

He adopted Kerry's environmental position without crediting Kerry, which is good in part because Dean's environmental record (unlike his land conservation record) really stinks so he needs to get a more enlightened program, which Kerry's is. But if he had real integrity he would credit Dean.

And now taking Edwards' complete economic package including the unique way that Edwards talks about it!

One of the ways we are going to beat Bush is that his integrity quotient is zero. And it looks like Dean's is within the margin of error. And "the point" is that you will never admit the truth of a single one of the points here. So, big surprise, the rest of us have a little trouble putting much weight on anything you say.

[polpilot]

70. So...this is your 'take' on what's happened this year. O.K. Should be

quite 'surprising' for you until Nov. '04. Your post is quite interesting and unusual.

Dean '04...The New Democratic leader of The NEW Democratic Party.

[DemDogs]

75. Completely unresponsive . . . again (n/t)

[NewYorkerfromMass]

52. Dean is dishonorable. eom

[poskonig]

55. If Dean disagrees with Edwards, he is Satan. If Dean agrees with Edwards,

gasp, he is still Satan.

:shrug:

[FubarFly]

77. Hehe

By George,I think you've got it.

(Uh oh, I think I may have stolen that line. ;-) )

[gully]

57. News Flash.... Dean's been saying this all along! Long before Edwards

appeared on 'Hardball.' And, for those who know something about politics, it's a typical difference between the two parties.

Remember 'trickle down economics'???

This spin is totally ridiculous, sorry.

Republicans have been shifting the tax burden to the poor/middle class and Dems have been fighting it for many moons.

:boring:

[chimpymustgo]

60. Stop thief! Howard Dean is not just a liar, he's a thief.

What an audacious politician. What is at this man's core?

[sandnsea]

63. I hear ya' Chimpy

It's astounding, truly astounding.

[genius]

73. He even steals from dead men

Look what he did with Wellstone's line.

[gully]

80. He credited Wellstone who borrowed the line from another...

:eyes:

You people are laughable.

[sandnsea]

83. But Dean's a centrist

And he didn't credit the line when he first started using it. He took Wellstone's line and doesn't even represent Wellstone's values. It really is disgusting and disrespectful to the Senator's memory.

[DemDogs]

85. He didn't credit for three weeks -- AFTER he was asked to

A week of television in NH: $80,000.
A plane ticket to from Vermont to Iowa: $800
Personal integrity: Priceless

Some things $14M can't buy.

[DemDogs]

64. What a load!

Until last week, Dean was getting rid of the middle income tax cuts. Last week. Hello.
Edwards gave this speech in June. Read it and get back to me with an earlier example of this wealth vs. work analysis by your candidate. <http://www.johnedwards2004.com/page.asp?id=125>

[gully]

69. Are you saying Dean is not repealing the Bush tax cut any longer?

I saw nothing to that effect anywhere. U pathological Dean haters never cease to amaze.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

71. The pathology goes both ways

believe me.

[DemDogs]

76. What idea has (fill in the blank) taken of Dean's

and claimed as his (or her) own?

[gully]

81. How bout being against the war all of a sudden...

for 'starters'.

[DemDogs]

86. Who's that? (n/t)

[genius]

72. Dean's wish-washy.

Actually, I am really getting to like Edwards -especially since he's followed Kucinich's lead and voted against giving Halliburton the $87 billion. I know Dean supported giving Bush the money - or at least that's what he said in the last debate.

[FubarFly]

74. Cool.

I'm glad if Edwards ideas are influencing Dean. They are both correct to point out the obvious injustice of the b*sh tax system. Hopefully it's not about who get's credit for each idea, but rather how the best of all of their ideas can be used to beat b*sh. I notice that on Edwards' website he had the "boot", which was modeled after Dean's, "bat", or perhaps Kerry's "hammer". Good for him. The more the candidates work together and learn from each other, the better off we'll all be. Now it would be different if Dean plagerized the quote directly, or claimed it exclusively as his own, but IMO the answers were clearly different enough to show influence, rather then copying. In contrast to banality of "talking points", this is a fresher approach.
The important thing is that they both took what I think is the correct position on this issue.

[yaledem]

79. New Edwards Speech!

My name is John Edwards, and I'm from the DEMOCRATIC wing of the democratic party. I want to tell you - the great unspoken truth in this election is that YOU HAVE THE POWER! YOU HAVE THE POWER!

Meanwhile, edwards changes the name of his site to edwardsforamerica.com, uses a baseball bat graphic to raise money, and calls his student group "generation edwards." Go people-powered Edwards!

Now, for the Dean supporters. You're telling me you honestly wouldn't have a problem if any of these things happened? I bet you'd be pretty pissed off, because they're Dean's signature lines and campaign ideas(many of them are good ideas). Edwards supporters have a right to be mad, especially after several political writers over the summer (Mark Shields, Slate's Saletan) said that Edwards' "Work vs. wealth" was the best message of the campaign, and that he was the only one saying it.

[gully]

82. No he wasn't, this has been said for years...

It's a typical arguement between the two parties.

[Meshuga]

84. Dean is always trying to steal other people's ideas...

and take the glory for others. Ask Kucinich too.