Dean Supporters! Clark Supporters! Be VERY careful out there!

[DinahMoeHum]

It appears that the Repukes are gonna try to set Howard Dean and Wesley Clark supporters at each others' throats.

A reader of Buzzflash spells out the following in the Oct 20 edition of the Mailbag:

(snip)
"Subj: Infiltration of the Dean and Clark websites

Dear Mr. BuzzFlash,

Please take a look at this posting. I think it is very worthwhile to spread the word about this. There is no doubt that the Republicans are going to try such dirty tricks. Dean and Clark individually and together make the Bush 2004 people quake in their boots..."

http://shock-awe.info/archive/000669.php

(snip)


Beware of the rat-f**kers!!

Forewarned is forearmed.

:mad:

[LuminousX]

1. Push-polling in New Hampshire

Haven't they already started? Isn't this what they want the most, to create hatred within our party?

[drfemoe]

2. June 18, 2003?

hardly a news flash .. but thanks for the heads up...

anyone who doesn't understand that the ruling authority offers NOTHING BUT filthy tricks, please sign up for deprogramming asap.

[GainesT1958]

3. They learned their lessons well from Donald Segretti and the...

"Dirty Tricks" gang of Nixon's "CREEP" committee in 1972. They did it to Ed Muskie, they did it to Hubert Humphrey; they even did it to George Wallace (amazing that so many of his supporters ended up voting for Nixon when you think about that!):eyes:

And, yes, though they didn't need to, they still did it to George McGovern, every chance they could. We knew the quality of these minions by the enemies they kept (probably on Nixon's Enemies List!:eyes: ).

They'll do it again, just as voraciously, because 1) they think the American people are too far removed from Watergate to remember, or just too young to remember it, and 2) they've got Karl "Chip" Rove, who learned his lessons well from the Dark Side of the force, the Dirty Tricks gang. He remembered Watergate, and thought it was a good thing.:mad:

You bet they'll try it--probably already have started in earnest, in fact. So watch out what you see in the way of attacks on the Web, and from the media whores. The foot soldiers of the Evil Empire are already on the march against our folks, as we speak.

B-)

[annxburns]

4. It is REALLY bad

There is even a rumor going around NH that Clark has THROAT CANCER. Totally bull**** but this is how low it has sunk. Someone on the Clark blog said she ran into Dean supporters saying this ... I am sure it was young repub pukes disguised as Dean supporters ....

http://www4.fosters.com/News2003/October2003/October_21/News/reg_pol_1021h.asp

[blm]

5. So, maybe it was the GOP pushpolling in Iowa, not Dean?

"First phone attack

Straight-talking Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean is testing his attack message in Iowa. Political operatives say Dean's phone polling is probing for weaknesses in support for Sens. John Edwards and John Kerry and Rep. Dick Gephardt. For rookie pol Edwards, it's about experience. For Gephardt, it's his alliance with Bush on key issues. Questions about Kerry test Iowans' reaction to his vote backing the war in Iraq."

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/archive/030512/12whisplead.php

[dsc]

6. as have been repeatedly discussed

This may or may not have been a push poll. The full article, which used to be available, was very poorly written. We have no idea how many people were polled which is an important elemant of push polling. It should also be noted that the questions they listed were all true and relevent things. This could have been an article about push polling made to appear like it wasn't or one about trying out some potential true negatives written to look like push polling.

[LuminousX]

8. Give it a break

We went round and round regarding this already. Find me one mainstream news report that actually labelled the survey Dean was doing in Iowa a 'push poll'. You can't, because there is a legal definition of what a push poll is and negative surveys ARE NOT PUSH POLLS.

So get out of your very limited worldview and realize that reality is very nuanced.

[blm]

9. Me getting beat on for not recognizing nuance?

There's a first. Usually Deanies beat on me for pointing to nuance that they prefer to see as incomprehensible.

heh...thanks for the laugh.

[LuminousX]

10. Anytime

.

[mzmolly]

7. Yikes, you should post in GD as well?

Thanks for the heads up...

[Larkspur]

11. I don't need the Repukes to do that

I don't like Clark and don't trust him and it comes from Clark, not Repukes.

[mikehiggins]

12. But if Clark is the nominee

will you support him and vote for him? That's really all it comes down to in the end. You're either on the ABBA tour or you're not.