Zogby: Dean Leads 40-17 in NH!

[RevolutionStartsNow]

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=750

[meegbear]

1. DUPE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=583936

[RevolutionStartsNow]

2. Yeah, but that was in GD

I wanted to post it here, because I felt so bad about posting that (probably) bogus on-line Marine Corps poll. :)

[CMT]

3. Wow this is the best poll yet released this week in NH

and what a jump for Dean since the last poll--ten points!! amazing.

[dfong63]

4. DEAN IS THE MAN

[wtmusic]

5. Uh-Huh! U-Huh!

[cindyw]

6. I find it weird that this poll is so different than others of late, but

if Dean is doing this well, then more power to him. I would hope that this does not last for long. I really think Kerry would make a better president, but I will give Dean some credit for what he must be doing right.

Date Dean, Marry Kerry people!

[CMT]

7. three other polls

out this week also give Dean double-digit leads, admittedly not as large as this one. One has him up 13%, another 15% and one at 17%. there was also one poll which had Dean ahead by only 6%.

[montanacowboy]

8. Hello.....earth to Cindyw

doing something right? hell yes - he is standing for the core values of the Democratic party which everyone but Dean and Kucinich have forgotton about -

Kerry votes for war, then covers his ass by not voting for the 87 bil

when Democrats return to their roots and not try and kiss up to the repukes and their policies, NO one should be surprised that they surge. And, if we don't get this message clear right now, you might as well kiss another election goodbye.

[sandnsea]

10. Core values

What core values? I cannot for the fucking life of me figure out what the hell core values Dean represents. If I could, I might support him. If you want someone who wants to privatize Medicare and Medicaid, cut budgets at the expense of the people, supported welfare reform, supports logging and mining in 'protected' lands, doesn't support gun laws, and who knows what else, then that's Dean.

And he was FOR Biden-Lugar which is nearly the same as the IWR that passed. It called for going to the UN, but disarming Saddam if it became clear the UN wouldn't cooperate. Bush still would have went to war. What would Dean be saying now, the same thing as Kerry. Bush didn't respect the UN and international relations.

Dean's a centrist compromiser, always has been and everybody in Vermont knows it. Has absolutely nothing to do with core values of the Democratic Party.

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[AWD]

18. It';s the same-old same-old

Dean breaks out to a big lead, and immediately those who claimed he was 'dead in the water' begin making shit up to attack him.

It'll continue....and then when Dean is finishing up his second term and the country is turned around, they'll either be shouting that he ruined us further or that they "knew all along he was a good President".

[indigo32]

14. Wow

now he wants to privatize Medicare and Medicaid too? Cut budgets at the expense of the people? I'm sorry I have to call bullshit on these and most of the rest of your list. These are just blatently false assertions.

[KaraokeKarlton]

30. Maybe you just need to stop listening to bad sources of info

Seriously, I have lived under Dean's leadership here in Vermont for a long time. He has been a champion for everything health care, in fact, it was his number one issue as governor. It was his passion. Sure, there was times he cut the budget, but it's not that simple. Dean is really great at getting more for less. My state has GREAT social programs, and Dean's idea of "welfare reform" actually helped people, not hurt them. I know this first hand because I experienced it myself. The old system was a trap that held me down. The new system actually supported me even more and helped more and allowed me to get on my feet by helping to overcome my personal roadblocks. Vermont's welfare system works uniquely for each person, based on what their personal needs and barriers are. That kind of reform is GOOD. Just kicking people off without any help getting independent is bad, but that's not what Dean did.

Dean is left of center on most things. He's a little right of center on a couple of things and very liberal on a couple of things. He's a damn great leader and despite your misgivings about him, should he become president you will come to admire, respect and like him very much. That's not saying you won't disagree with him once in awhile, because you will...but you will NEVER be able to accuse him of not being honest, upfront and straight about what's going on.

Oh, Dean is good on the environment as well. There are a few very radical enviornmentalists in Vermont who would say otherwise, but you have to consider the source. They are not Democrats and their party (The Vermont Progressive Party) always ran a candidate against Dean and they put out the same kind of spin of the facts as Rove does. It's just easier to fool Democrats with that because it's left propoganda instead of right propoganda. It is still propoganda, however, and if you don't have a clear understanding of this, you are more prone to fall for these misrepresentations of Dean.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

17. Hello....earth to montanacowboy

Dean's record is far, far from one that represents the core values of the Democratic party. Yes, he is running a good campaign and has a lot of support. And like any good politician, he knows what to say to the people in front of him to make them like him.

But any honest appraisal of Dean's record and positions definately is going to place him to the right of the core of Democratic party values.

http://www.vpirg.org/campaigns/financeReform/cfr_page111.html
http://www.socialsecurity.org/dailys/07-02-03.html
http://www.bradycampaign.com/press/release.asp?Record=491
http://rutlandherald.nybor.com/News/Story/33681.html
http://www.vtce.org/deancrisisagvt.html
http://www.vtce.org/coal.html
http://www.vtce.org/deanenvironmentomya.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A1907-2003Jul2
http://www.counterpunch.org/jacobs08292003.html
http://timesargus.com/Archive/Articles/Article/43125
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/dean/dean0702/freyneint.html
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/dean/dean0702/pollinaint.html
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/09/13/dean_backed_medicare_cuts_in_1995_gephardt_says_boston_globe
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/10/09/dean_feared_a_horton_scenario http://rutlandherald.com/Archive/Articles/Article/31792
http://rutlandherald.nybor.com/News/Story/31711.html

[cindyw]

29. Don't even suggest I'm not returning to my roots

As far as kissing a** to the Repubs you should watch your mouth, before you make claims about other people. I'm as Democratic as you get. My personal politics are so Democratic, I've been called a bleeding heart lib my whole life. I have a right to support who I want and so do you. I don't see Dean returning anyone to Dem roots. Quit acting like you own the rights to the true Democratic party or you will find that the "New Dems" (as Deaniacs call themselves) are a new third party. he's too moderate to do that. All he does is yell and people in the media pay attention.

[George_Bonanza]

35. Kerry can't do no right for you

He votes against the 87 billion, he's playing political games. If he, *gasp*, voted for it, he's a Bush in disguise, if not already, in your mind. What next? You're so convinced that one vote, which you spin as anti-Kerry as much as you can, negates all the great things he has done in the past, while your candidate, Howard Dean, says some nice words and that negates his relatively moderate deeds in the past? What core values does HD represent that JK doesn't? Democratic core values do not include catering to those who do not do research on their candidates.

[Vikingking66]

9. can I get a HELL YEAH?!

This is the kind of smackdown I look for.
Dean's got New Hampshire in the bag, all he needs is
to step it up in Iowa, and he's the next nominee of
the Democratic Party, 'cause the ball's going to roll
through South Carolina, Arizona, New Mexico, and right
on through to Boston.

[Demobrat]

15. HELL YEAH

There is hope for this country yet. Go Dean!

[Vis Numar]

36. HHHEEEEEELLLLL YYYYYEEEEAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ha ha.

[lastliberalintexas]

21. Please don't say that

This is a great poll for Dean (and therefore for us!), but he doesn't have it in the bag yet. We still have almost 3 months until the primary, and anything could happen between now and then.

We don't want to jinx ourselves, you know. :)

[Demobrat]

27. Don't worry. I don't think this will weaken anybody's resolve.

Quite the contrary.

[killbotfactory]

11. Attacking him only makes him stronger

Must be frustrating for the other campaigns

[KaraokeKarlton]

31. Yes, it does, and always has

This is something unique to Dean. No one else has this quality of being strengthened by attacks. It's also another reason Dean is the right one to go up against Bush. Not only can he weather anything Bush and Rove throw at him, he will also gain strength from those attacks. They won't know how to deal with him and it will completely throw them off their game.

[Duder]

13. Dean-o-mite!

The Dean machine keeps rolling...

40 - 17

:D

[caledesi]

20. Woo Hoo! Run Howard Run! nt

[slinkerwink]

16. Dean's definitely on a roll!!!

I'm not going to be surprised when he wins Iowa and New Hampshire. The man has thousands of committed supporters ready to drop everything they have for a weekend or a week to help him win those two states. Then the Dean momentum's going to go to the rest of the primaries.....mark my words.

OT, how many replies to a thread do you need to get before you get to post a topic?

[goobergunch]

22. I don't know, but it's not very many

You should be almost there.

[slinkerwink]

23. :-)

thanks!

[RevolutionStartsNow]

33. Welcome to DU, Slinkerwink!

:hi:

[Vis Numar]

37. righto

people neeed to understand that the DOC is ready to ROC!

[jeremiah fpoa]

19. Edwards

Edwards has been climbing the polls the whole time that everyone has been getting overly hyped up about Dean well over a year before the election. Edwards is still in great position in NH and Iowa (3rd and 4th) to make great showings in states that his opponents should dominate. Then when the first section of primaries roll around he'll be set to take SC, post high numbers in OK, and do well in both AZ and NM. From there he will just buy himself more time while the rest of the democratic party realizes they need to elect someone who is actually electible and can beat Bush. Dean can do neither. Go Edwards.

[dajabr]

24. Guess those polled...

Really knew who was going negative all along...

[Egnever]

25. 40% is huge

it will be interesting to see if he can hold onto it.

The primaries are creeping up on us fast though, if the others dont do something amazing soon to boost thier nymbers dean is going to walk right through this primary season.

Can't wait for the first Dean Bush debate. Assuming Bush agrees to have any at all.

Go get em Howard!

[DemDogs]

26. News is Edwards is in third

and on the rise (with Clark who is in freefall), behind only the candidates from the neighboring states. GO EDWARDS!

[dsc]

28. I wouild love to think this poll is accurate

but I find it very hard to believe. For some reason, probably the formulas Zogby uses to weigh voters, Dean does better in his polls than in any other. Thus we would have to count on his poll being the most accurate poll. I tend to doubt it.

[RogueTrooper]

32. Good news for Dean

I am sure his support may be slightly overstating Dean's support but the +10 trend is heartening news.

[Vis Numar]

34. kick this up for discussion

and for the Kerry jerks to look at every morning here...