Kucinich mistakes himself for a serious candidate… makes absurd demands

[pruner]

Kucinich wants Dean ads pulled from N.H. TV

PORTSMOUTH, N.H. (AP) - Democratic presidential hopeful Dennis Kucinich is demanding that New Hampshire television stations stop broadcasting ads from rival Howard Dean, arguing that the spots distort the records of both candidates.

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Dean reacted at a news conference before a fundraiser in Burlington, Vt.…

"We're focusing most of our attention on those candidates who are attacking us, and those are candidates at the top of the polls. We're not focusing on Dennis so we're not attacking Dennis.

"Kucinich's lawyer, Donald McTigue, sent a letter to New Hampshire television stations earlier in the day, asking them to pull the ad and give Kucinich's campaign free air time to respond.

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The campaign also plans to petition the Federal Trade Commission and the Federal Communication Commission about the ads.

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Jeff Bartlett, general manager of WMUR-TV in Manchester, said he forwarded the letter to the station's attorney Friday morning. In general, the station has no right to edit or decline ads from federal candidates, he said.

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http://www.projo.com/ap/ma/1067043783.htm

[Feanorcurufinwe]

1. It is absurd to expect Dean to tell the truth.

[Jim Sagle]

4. Funny, I always felt the same about DK - and his supporters.

[roughsatori]

2. Is the Dean ad a misrepresentation? You never address that in the post

If so Kucinich is right. You provide no text of the ad for us to judge, just your own snide title. The crux of the matter is simple, is Dean's ad factual or does it truly misrepresent Kucinich? Without the text there is little point to discussing this.

[pruner]

3. here's the ad… judge for yourself

Quicktime format: http://www.howarddean.tv/v2/streaming_pages/qt/ad-iraq_256k.asp

Windows Media Player format: http://www.howarddean.tv/v2/streaming_pages/wmp/ad-iraq_256k.asp

[no name no slogan]

5. But he DIDN'T oppose the war from the beginning

back in Feb 2002, he was basically IN FAVOR of the Bushco plan, except he wanted a 60-day waiting period for Saddam to "disarm" himself of his WMDs (which, you may remember, have yet to be found).

More Dean spin...."I'm the only candidate who opposed the war", "I'm the only candidate talking to the honkies about race"

What's next, he invented the internet? :eyes:

[DemBones DemBones]

6. It's no mistake -- Kucinich IS a serious candidate.

Serious and best (most progressive) on the issues.

[tsipple]

7. Absurdum Ridiculum

I'm looking at this stuff and thinking, "Do we have some Democratic campaign managers on crack?"

I think DK is pretty cool, but which campaign staffer's not-so-bright idea was this? Where does his campaign go with this? This just makes Kucinich look weak, and that's just stupid.

WMUR is exactly right. It's called free speech. The right to run for office and say what you want. Even if it offends somebody. (Maybe especially if it offends somebody.) Kucinich seems to suggest that some government agency -- run by George W. Bush, no less -- ought to have censorship authority over political advertising. :wtf:

Again, which Kucinich campaign staffer is on crack?

[DrFunkenstein]

12. Don't Be Talking That Crazy Harry Potter Jive

I don't know what Absurdum Ridiculum means, but it's probably some crazy-ass voodoo.

PS - I think "Maybe especially if it offends somebody" sums up a good deal of what people don't like about Dean supporters.

[w4rma]

15. I think that negativity is manucatured astroturf by the Kerry campaign

…
ATTACKS BY FELLOW DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES ON GOVERNOR DEAN

STARTING SEPTEMBER 1

Democrat hopefuls rip chief rival Dean; Kerry, Lieberman turn up heat on front-runner - AP, 9/1

Kerry slams Dean - Boston Globe, 9/1

Democratic White House Hopefuls Focus Attacks On Dean - The Bulletin's Frontrunner, 9/2

Kerry launches campaign, takes aim at Bush, Dean - Seattle Times, 9/3

Kerry Changes Stance, Takes On Dean New Campaign Tactic Highlights Differences Between Candidates - Boston Globe, 9/4

Rivals rip surging Dean - on paper; Democrats blast him in debate handouts - Dallas Morning News, 9/5

Lieberman Leads Attacks On Dean In First Debate - WSJ, 9/5

Dean's Quick Rise Makes Him Target Of His Own Party - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 9/7

Lieberman Criticizes Dean About His Remarks on Israel - NY Sun, 9/8

Taking a risk, Lieberman takes on front-running Dean - AP, 9/9

Edwards Critical of Dean Over Race Remark - AP, 9/10

Lieberman, Kerry rip Dean; Dems turn feisty in 2nd debate - Boston Globe, 9/10

Gephardt rips into Dean on health care - AP, 9/12

Presidential Candidate Congressman Gephardt Unleashed A Stinging Attack On Rival Howard Dean - FOX News, 9/12

Gephardt Attacks Dean on 2 Social Programs - NYT, 9/13

Gephardt accuses Dean of backing GOP policies - Baltimore Sun, 9/13

Gephardt criticizes Dean for past positions - Des Moines Register, 9/13

Gephardt plays hardball with front-runner Dean - Manchester Union Leader, 9/13

Gephardt Shifts Attacks to Dean - WP, 9/13

After Climbing To The Top, Dean Discovers He's A Target Rivals Set Sights On Front-Runner - Boston Globe, 9/14

In A Shift Of Strategy, Kerry Takes On Dean - Boston Globe, 9/14

Gephardt is latest to attack Dean - Chicago Tribune, 9/14

Gephardt Aims At Dean, Linking Him To Gingrich - St. Louis Post-Dispatch, 9/14

Kerry rips Bush but adds Dean hit - AP, 9/15

Gephardt Steps Up Criticism Of Dean, Says He Agreed With 'Gingrich Republicans' - Frontrunner, 9/15

Gephardt: An Attack A Day Keeps The Doctor At Bay? - Hotline, 9/15

Dean becomes a target - Newsday, 9/15

Gephardt Uses Web Site to Criticize Dean - AP, 9/16

Gephardt: Moredeanbashing.com - Hotline, 9/16

Kerry Openly Criticizes Dean's Stance On Tax Cuts For Middle Class Families - Frontrunner, 9/16

Still under attack, Dean goes easy on his rivals - AP, 9/17

Kerry Steps Up Attacks On Dean Over Trade - Frontrunner, 9/23

Kerry Attacks Rival Dean Over Protectionism - NYT, 9/23

Despite interest in Clark, Dean is still top target of other candidates - Philadelphia Inquirer, 9/25

Among the 10, Two Are Tested the Most; Newcomer Clark Avoids Serious Gaffes; Dean Withstands Sharper Challenges - WP, 9/26

10 Democratic rivals debate national woes, attack well-financed Dean and ignore newcomer Clark - Knight-Ridder, 9/26

Democrats spare Clark in his first debate and go after Dean - AP, 9/26

Democratic Candidates Focus Attacks On Dean In Primary Debate - Frontrunner, 9/26

Clark survives debate, as hopefuls target Dean; Candidates' attacks include a comparison to Gingrich - Dallas Morning News, 9/26

Debate Rivals Target Dean - Hartford Courant, 9/26

Debate: All Eyes On The General, All Attacks Aimed At Dean - Hotline, 9/26

Gephardt, Kerry attack Dean over prior views - Washington Times, 9/26

Dean Is Targeted by Rivals - LA Times, 9/26

Bush, Dean under attack in 10-way Democratic debate - Myrtle Beach Sun-News, 9/26

Fellow Dems Diss Dean As Sparks Fly In Debate - NY Post, 9/26

Attacking the Leader; Debate barbs aimed at front-runner Dean - NY Newsday, 9/26

Party unity? The candidates were united, in going after Howard Dean - Phila. Inquirer, 9/26

Dean Takes The Heat From Rivals - Baltimore Sun, 9/26

Clark Debut Doesn't Change Democrats' Focus on Dean - NY Times, 9/27

Democratic rivals target Bush -- and Dean - Salon.com, 9/27

Gephardt attacks Dean Medicare record - AP, 9/29

Democrats: Candidates Criticize Dean's Record On Medicare - American HealthLine, 9/29

Gephardt Compares Dean's Record On Medicare To Gingrich's - Frontrunner, 9/29

Gephardt: Takes His Sparring With Dean To The Sunday Shows - Hotline, 9/29

Attacks on Dean may leave voters dizzy - St. Petersburg Times, 9/29

Dean Rivals Try To Turn His Comments On Key Issues Against Him - Frontrunner, 10/2

Kerry Attacks Dean For Bush Pact - NYT, 10/2

Rivals Target Dean's Blunt Comments - WP, 10/2

Kerry Attacks Dean Over '93 Nuclear Waste Accord - Frontrunner, 10/6

Kerry maintains attacks on Dean over Medicare - DMR, 10/7

Kerry: Still Hammering Away At Dean On Medicare - Hotline, 10/7

Clark, Dean Are Targeted in Debate - LA Times, 10/10

Gephardt roasts Dean on past political moves - Myrtle Beach Sun-News, 10/12

Mutual Threat Unites 2 Rivals Opposing Dean - NYT, 10/12

Gephardt and Kerry unite against Dean - IHT, 10/13

Dean Continues To Draw Fire From Rivals At Des Moines AARP Forum - Frontrunner, 10/16

Other Candidates Again Target Dean; At Iowa Seniors Forum, He Is Chided for Views on Medicare, Bush Tax Cuts - WP, 10/16

'Divers' Dedicated to Dig Dirt on Dean - AP, 10/21

Edwards raps Dean on health plan - Manchester Union Leader, 10/21

Kerry Criticizes Dean Oversight of Vermont Egg Farm - AP, 10/22
…
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/001964.html#more

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

16. Damn.

And that's only the last 6 weeks. (But he did use the term "Bush-lite" :eyes:)



On edit: I'm waiting anxiously for the response. A list, from all reports here, that should be at least twice as long over the same period of time.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

17. 2 things about this spam you keep spamming the board with here:

1. It's entirely from the dean blog so objective it is not.
2. I wasn't aware the campaign only began Sep. 1. so there's some missing history.

[ErasureAcer]

8. Dean shoots himself in the foot

Why would Kucinich supporters want to support a liar for president if Dean gets the nomination?

I won't be voting for Dean under any circumstances...and I was just coming around thinking I wouldn't vote for Gep or Lie...but ya know...I think I can add Dean to that list as well if he gets the nomination.

He'll need my vote too, I'm in Minnesota.

But ya know what Howard...I demand more from my politicians, and by saying you were the only one against the war, when Kucinich was there way ahead of you...you've lost any respect I had.

[tsipple]

9. ErasureAcer, Let's Not Do What You Accuse

I have not heard Dean say he was the only one against the war. He does insert the words "major candidate" into that claim when I hear it. (He has also specifically cited DK as one of the other people who did oppose the war. You can find plenty of occasions when he said so. And Dean cited Graham, too, prior to his dropping out.)

In his 30 second TV ad he says "my opponents." That's legit. He did not use the words "all my opponents." With all due respect (he says gingerly, ducking for cover :-)), DK is not Dean's opponent.

And please see my post above and think about it. Do you really want a Democratic candidate who calls in George W. Bush's government enforcers to censor a fellow candidate's political advertising? This was such a royally dumb move.

[lcordero]

10. I'm in New York, he won't need my vote...but then again, he

won't get it. A lot of things that have come to light really rub me the wrong way.

[w4rma]

14. That's how I feel about Kucinich, too.

Asking the FCC to censor a Democratic ad is just lousy. And what it is over? Kucinich wanted his name in the ad and/or was nitpicking about whether he was one of Dean's opponents who criticised him about the war or not.

I lost a little respect for Kucinich today with this. I've been pretty consistent in defending him, but asking to censor a Democratic ad in the current environment where there is too much censoring going on is despicable.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

11. Sorry Dean has to be represented by the likes of this

and you wonder why so many feel he needs to be knocked down some pegs?

[Pez]

13. i wonder how dk will address this in the debate on sunday...

that is, if he they allow him more than 2 minutes.

[Punkingal]

18. Dupe

I'm locking.

punkingal, DU moderator