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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 08:40 PM
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A list of why the Dean campaign is not a campaign, it is a Revolution
Meetups
Blogs
Dean Space
Grid Campaign (Open Campaign with decentralized decision-making)
Flash Rallies

And most important of all, the Dean Revolution is based on building community--more than just selling a candidate and a name. Dean went to community organizing experts and learned and that's what they based their effort on. America hasn't experienced community since people stopped bowling and started watching 7 hours of boob tube a day.

When they do experience a Dean Meetup and actually meet their neighbors, they often start crying as this is such a huge void in modern life. This is bigger than Bush, this is bigger than Dean, this is a Community-Building Revolution and it has the potential to not only beat Bush but maybe take the House back and maybe even the Senate. That's what Dean and trippi are planning to do with their 3 MILLION Volunteers. The previous record for volunteers in a Presidential campaign was a couple of hundred thousand. 3 MILLION means 1 out of every 33 voters will be a DEAN WORKER!!

The Dean campaign is not a campaign, it is a Revolution!

Joe Trippi is going to run circles around Karl Rove, especially when it's $200 million and 200,000 GOP volunteers against $200 million and 3 MILLION Dean Workers.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 08:44 PM
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1. OMG - I'm trembling!
tell us about your candidates' issues - his views and aspects - tell us what is in his sealed papers.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 09:25 PM
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9. There is not "there" there in the sealed papers. He's playing
a game. Don't you get it? He will win again and make fools out of people who who think something juicy is there.

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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:42 PM
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14. Nope - don't
GET IT So, would-you, could-you please explain this logic.
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coralrf Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 09:37 PM
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41. If there is nothing there he is dumber than I though..
and you are displaying MASSIVE amounts of Naiveté and wishful thinking. If those papers are clean he better get his dumb ass moving and stop the NEGATIVE momentum his secrecy is generating.

If this guy thinks like you do I wouldn’t let him be dog catcher much less president.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:23 PM
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12. tell us about your candidates' issues - his views and aspects
Why, you seem to know them already, and try to bash every one.

Do your own research, honey...

Being a basher is bad enough. Don't be a lazy one...
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:45 PM
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15. I'm not your Honey!
how patronizing of you - HONEY! My candidates views are a matter of record - many years of public record - many years of enforcing the rights of citizens - no sealed papers. I am definitely not a lazy basher - I've done my research of candidates for decades - do yours and Dean will not be your candidate - mark my words.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 11:12 PM
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20. I refer you here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=96196

Noticed you hadn't shown up there yet with an answer. Here's your big chance.
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coralrf Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 09:33 PM
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39. I can tell you what is not in those papers...
his X-Rays. The ones the coward took to the draft physical in order to save his sorry ass.

Deanies..that is bad shit. Very very very bad shit.
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 08:44 PM
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2. have you read the article in Sunday's NY Times mag?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 08:44 PM
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3. And they are pulling out all the
stops to try and thwart this "Revolution" in its tracks!
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 08:56 PM
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6. Precisely why I became a supporter
I knew this was actually bigger than Dean after I caught the buzz about the meet ups and the web organizing. Howard Dean has redefined campaigns. Instead of simply asking people for their money and their vote, he's turned every supporter into an actual campaign worker. He's turned them into organizers, commentators, writers, speakers, and analysts. But the biggest thing he's turned them into, is a huge family. Not a family of personality admiration, as his detractors claim, but one of people pissed off enough and caring enough to actually want their country back.

Even if Dean were to stop right now, what's happening is almost miraculous. The genie is out of the bottle, and this is nothing but good news for many of us who were ready to write this nation off as a failed experiment. Howard Dean is actually proving how creative and resilient democracy is.

Viva!


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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 09:06 PM
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7. Exactimundo! By restoring the sense of family and belonging, Dean
transcends all previous politics--and I have been a political consultant (22 out of 27 races won) for 19 years now and this is not a campaign it is the Great Transformation or something like that.

That is the reason, Molly, that Dean supporters and all the future Dean Supporters will NEVER care what's in the sealed records or what his stand on taxes is or any of the usual things that negative attacks usually work so well with. It's like your own brother or father was under attack, not a mere candidate.

All the others just try to have a house meeting and SELL you the candidate and manipulate you into volunteering. The Meetups are group therapy, they are the Great American Community finding itself for the first time in 5 decades. It truly is a Revolution and believe you me, mark my words, historians will record this as a turning-point in American history because once this Community comes together, nothing, NOTHING, will ever render it asunder.

DEMS WILL WIN!
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 09:29 PM
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10. It's so good to be a real part of a campaign. Never felt this way before.
Never donated to ANY campaign (before Dean)
Never attended any kind of political event (meetup) until Dean.
"You say you want a revolution?" Well, ya know.... John Lennon
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:49 PM
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17. Is it the CAMPAIGN or the MAN?
you seem to have a problem separating the two?
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 01:16 AM
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25. Both
Precisely why Dean is succeeding. He's got the whole package: message, money, media-savvy, manpower and momentum. Oh, and Trippi. :)
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 09:24 PM
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8. A brilliant avant-garde campaign. You are so right DWW.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 09:35 PM
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11. Anybody have more to add to the list?
Here's another:

25% of his contributors are people under the age of 30!!!!!

That is perhaps the most amazing statistic of all!
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:51 PM
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18. No, it's not!
they are the most inexperienced and vulnerable.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 11:00 PM
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19. They're also the ones most likely to live through a few elections...
Get them voting young and they'll most likely remain a part of the process for life. That's a good thing in my book.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 09:09 AM
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31. Is that why RFK and JFK Had the support of youth?
Please, flesh out that theory and explain why it's best not to have a future generation on your side.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 03:11 AM
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30. The same group who supported Jesse Ventura
It's the same kind of knee-jerk, image-based reactionary style campaign. Support the "cool guy" who's the most pissed off around. Just don't read the details of his platform, because then you'll discover that he's really more of the same. :eyes:
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-03 10:48 PM
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16. None Of Which Will Affect His Potential 4 Years In Office
PS - I think you might be overstating the case a wee bit.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 12:40 AM
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23. Only overstating if the Dean campaign does not grow into
3 million supporters fronm the 550,000 they have right now. Then I might be. But so far it's clearly on track. And he is going to try and win the Congress too Dr. Funk. Gore or Kerry or Dog forbid Gephardt could never do that.

If Dean wins the White House and takes back the House with the Great Transformation even Dr. Funk would believe, no?
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 01:11 AM
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24. "Dog forbid?"
That cracked me up.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 01:25 AM
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26. My Dog forbids that Gephardt try to win the House for like the umpteenth
time..
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 01:36 AM
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27. Revolution implies change. Dean is Wall Street Establishment.
The guy says he's for fiscal prudence. His record shows that he'll balance the budget and cut social spending to do so. Gee. That doesn't sound like a revolution to me. Sounds like the promise of Reaganomics.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 02:16 AM
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28. His education plan is shameless gift to Wall St, paid for by taxpayers
It's one of his few concrete plans.

It probably explains why he doesn't have many concrete plans. He doesn't want to show his cards too soon.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 02:47 AM
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29. Riiiiight......
And Paul Wellstone never did anything REMOTELY like Dean did. Nor Eugene McCarthy. Or the civil rights activists in the deep south in the 50s-60s. Or how about the countless unions that have organized in this country over the last 100 years?

Trippi is the same old political hack who's inhabited the American politics landscape for over a century. The only difference is that he borrowed a couple different things from others that went before him and put them on the internet. However, instead of always picking losers, Trippi may have actually backed the right horse this time.

Maybe this whole "community" thing is "revolutionary" to folks who live in whitebread cookie-cutter suburbs, but I happen to live in a VERY civicly-minded urban neighborhood where I know my neighbors and am active in my community organization. This is nothing new: this is how we've kept our communities together for generations.

But, I suppose if all you've ever seen are cows, you're probably pretty suprised when you see your first pig.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 07:38 PM
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35. You have some good points, but
I can tell that you have become exasperated, so I can excuse the sarcasm.
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OhioStateProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 09:22 AM
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32. What?!!?!?
please...Dennis Kucinich is the candidate building a revolution


Dean is a shell
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 07:02 PM
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33. I loved Dennis Kucinich's speech just now but the reality is that under
the primary rules for 2004, and given his current standing in the polls, he may not win a single delegate. You have to take at least 10% in most states, don't you?

His speech tonight might jumpstart his campaign but I think Dean has taken up most of the oxygen from those who support DKK.
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OhioStateProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 07:05 PM
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34. maybe
although i was pretty sure it was changed this year to percentage won, percentage taken...although i could be wrong
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 08:00 PM
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36. Most (if not all) state require a candidate get at least 10% or 15%
to get delegates. THe top tier candidates divide up the rest. They did outlaw winner-take-all primaries. Kucinich's only chance for even 1 delegate is DC because only 4 candidates signed up for the ballot. Others are Braun Sharpton and of course Dean.

The 10% threshold is to discourage vanity candidates and find unity sooner--the theory anyway...
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OhioStateProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 08:04 PM
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37. besides, i am confident in Dennis's ability to get 10%
Edited on Sat Dec-06-03 08:06 PM by OhioStateProgressive
on most state ballots...the national polls, and most polls in general, are very weak

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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 08:05 PM
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38. Can we have a primary first?
:shrug:
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-03 09:36 PM
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40. I'm The Cult of Personality
Look into my eyes, what do you see?
Cult of personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
I’ve been everything you want to be
I’m the cult of personality
Like mussolini and kennedy
I’m the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights, a nobel prize
The mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You don’t have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
I’m the smiling face on your t.v.
I’m the cult of personality
I exploit you still you love me

I tell you one and one makes three
I’m the cult of personality
Like joseph stalin and gandi
I’m the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights a nobel prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You don’t have to follow me
Only you can set you free

You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You me power in your god’s name
I’m every person you need to be
I’m the cult of personality
Look into my eyes, what do you see?
Cult of personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
I’ve been everything you want to be
I’m the cult of personality
Like mussolini and kennedy
I’m the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights, a nobel prize
The mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You don’t have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
I’m the smiling face on your t.v.
I’m the cult of personality
I exploit you still you love me

I tell you one and one makes three
I’m the cult of personality
Like joseph stalin and gandi
I’m the cult of personality
Cult of personality
Cult of personality

Neon lights a nobel prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You don’t have to follow me
Only you can set you free

You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You me power in your god’s name
I’m every person you need to be
I’m the cult of personality
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