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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 06:45 PM
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If DEAN's the nominee, his running mate will be JAY ROCKEFELLER
Ok, so it's just my prediction. And at the end of this post I'll mention some others. But Rockefeller strikes me as the most logical choice for Dean. Dean is an outsider, a governor of a tiny state and relatively bad relations even w/ that state legislature. He'll need someone from inside Congress who can work between the administration and Congress -- someone who knows Congress, and has served for a longtime. Plus, the VP nominee is almost always (esp. for Dems) a senator -- representatives usually represent too small an area.

In addition, that person is going to need to be relatively establishment. Dean is anti-establishment, but to win he needs party unity. To get party unity he needs someone who is acceptable to the establishment. This is why I doubt that Russ Feingold will be the next VP -- he's great, but, aside from the types of progressives that frequent DU, he'll probably strike most Americans as an endearing, but quirky, and unacceptable VP. The Party establishment, while it respects Feingold, would also not really like his VP nomination. As for Boxer, she's more establishment than Feingold, but she's ultraliberal, and it may not be the strongest electoral choice. That said, I view Boxer as a possibility -- she's really the only viable woman president in the senate aside from Hillary*. Still, I don't view her as a likely pick.

Dean will need somebody who comes from a geographic district separate from his own. That eliminates Kerry (already elminated b.c the 2 hate each others' guts), Dodd, and many other fine figures. The running mate will probably not be Edwards b/c he does not really give Dean greater credibility w/ Congress -- Edwards would be in the same boat as Dean if he were the nominee. Graham might be good, but he's older than many realize (68) and he proved to be a pretty boring, unappealing candidate for President. I do not think he will be the running mate.

Clark is often talked abt, and I would not at all be surprised to see it happen. However, I think ultimately, Dean will not choose Clark. While Clark gives him a military background, the ticket will have zero Wash. experience. Plus, Clark seems to get along much better with Kerry, Edwards, and Gephardt -- he and Dean often maintain an icy distance.

All this leads me to think that Jay Rockefeller will be Dean's running mate if Dean is the nominee. He gives instant establishment and congressional credibility. He is a strong liberal from a swing state and a key swing region (Ohio, W.Va., Penn.). He has decades of experience in the Senate, plus governing experience, and is well-liked in Congress. He voted against the Iraq War, and he is a seasoned fighter. A downside is that he is beyond wealthy, but I don't think it's as much of an issue for middle-class voters, who I believe will accept a ticket of rich people who sincerely care about lower and middle class people, unlike Bush and Cheney.

Dick Durbin, and Carl Levin are some other strong possibilities who would fit this criteria.

Among some other names I thnk people will drop -- John Lewis -- too liberal, and just a congressman. If he was a senator, it might be different, but house members, unless they're in the top core of the leadership are generally not good national-ticket holders. Inouye -- too old. Richardson -- a distinct possibility, but I think it's more likely he remains a governor, given he just began on the job a year ago this Jan. and most New Mexico residents would prefer he remains. Harry Reid -- too necessary in the Senate, plus we may have a tough time maintaining that seat if he drops the race.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 06:47 PM
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1. To respond to the asterix
* I mean Democratic women. Among them, Patty Murry may be a possibility, but she isn't very distinguished, really. Cantwell has too little experience. Lincoln and Landrieu are good senators, but neither really seems presidential timber or particularly illustrious -- plus they're both pretty conservative, esp. Landrieu, and I don't think many Democrats would be too pleased by their presence on a national ticket (great as senators though).
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david_vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 06:56 PM
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3. Murray or Cantwell?
Patty Murray is a ditz. Maria Cantwell is possibly the most self-righteous person I've ever heard.
I really don't think either one of them stands a snowball's chance, and that's "a good thing".
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 12:44 AM
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9. As a Washingtonian,
I agree. However, it goes without saying that the alternative is even worse.
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Kira Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 06:49 PM
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2. I love Dick Durbin
but I think he will choose someone from the south.
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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 07:18 PM
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4. Well, Dean has been called a "Rockefeller Republican"...
...But obviously, "Rockefeller RepubliCRAT" is a more apt term.....
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a_lil_wall_fly Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 08:34 PM
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5. Yeppers
Rockfeller is a good person..but Dr Dean needs more than that.
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shoopnyc123 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:11 PM
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6. HILLARY. PERIOD.
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BigBigBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:13 PM
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7. Bill Richardson
or Mary Landrieux (sp?).

He needs help in the South and the West.
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Mick Knox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-03 11:25 PM
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8. Need a southerner toooooo..
Fellow intellectual elite progressives:

Gore was a southerner.. and he still couldnt pull the south.

i think if we get dean, we will need maybe a southerner VP to help us down south. He's trying to appeal to the south but just alienating them with his dumb comments...

This election lives or dies in the south.. Remember red/blue state map? Forget about it and we'll crying about how we won the election and lost the white house for 4 more years.

Obviously, everyone hates bush.. but its not gonna do any good to win the votes and not win the states.. we know that.

Edwards VP maybe?

Forget clark, he cant figure out which party he is in and they will beat him mercilessly, he just doesnt have the experience as a politician and has too much praise for reagan/bush in the past. You want to see a commercial of our candidate praising bush? I sure dont.

(it goes without saying I vote for the Dem.. but we gotta pick the right one!!!)

Abandoned by hillary in our hour of need, U.S.A.




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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-03 01:22 AM
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10. I won't like seeing the name "Rockefeller."
But I'll try to deal with it! He's better than many, if not most Democratic senators. I had thought that Bill Richardson would be a good choice. We need to be both bold and strategic about this.
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