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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 01:58 PM
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Why does Does Keith Olbermann refuse to broadcast the tape of Rev Wright?
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 01:59 PM by papau
I have noticed in the past that MSNBC cOUNTDOWN refuses to discuss Obama racism and sexism, except to excuse it. I guess MSNBC has determined that discussion of the above hurts Obama - so they will not play the video of Wright speaking. Keith Olbermann does have his (pro-Obama) standards.

Indeed I recall how pleased Countdown was when Obama went beyond simply denying sexism in the campaign to promoting it. Consider the radio spot he ran in Mississippi reminding voters that Clinton had once criticized the state for its treatment of women. Obama invited Mississippi voters to take her comment as an insult to their state pride. Keith thought that was a great move.

But it is the Rev Wright that revels more about Obama - and Kieth Olbermann. Rev Wright married Barack Obama and his wife. baptized both of his daughters. and is the person who Obama credits Wright with leading him to Jesus. He has sat under Wright's teaching on morality, religion, race and politics for 20 years, but claims it is irrelevant to his campaign for the highest office in the land - And he has defended Wright during the Campaign with the campaign calling questions about Wright personal attacks or racial attacks. Now this week he tosses Wright over the side.

Here is the short ABC news video summary of Rev Wright is here http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4443230 and another copy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP2K4Lhas2o&feature=related that includes his comments this week about Wright and rejected Wrights views. These speeches have been for sale by his Church on DVD's for a long time, but Obama says he heard them for the first time last week. Here is Obama praising Wright June 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpzHQ_PC1uI

I wonder - if your pastor's sermons dripped hatred for black people as a race and equated black people with devils, would that be grounds to question your views on racism? Suppose your pastor said from the pulpit that black people are responsible for all America's problems? Suppose you attended that church, under that teaching, for 20 years or more? Would that make you a racist? If not, shouldn't the issue of racism at least be called into question?

Obama dismisses criticisms by saying he doesn't always agree with his pastor. On the other hand, he said at a campaign appearance that, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." ??????

He said that his pastor is "like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with." But his new statement does not tell us specifically what Obama agrees with and what he doesn't agree with. Some beliefs espoused by his pastor could radically impact what he does as president.

Does Obama agree with the 2003 sermon: ""The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people ...God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

Or does Obama believe 9/11 was a justified attack on the US as in this statement in the sermon a week after 9/11 listing the reasons for his congregation to consider the attacks justified "We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye.....We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

So we now know what Obama feels is not "particularly controversial"? - stuff that just "sounds like he was trying to be provocative" as Obama told a New York Times reporter.

The campaign released a statement about Wright and Obama a while back right after the ABC video was aired - "Sen. Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church. Sen. Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Sen. Obama deeply disagrees. But now that he is retired, that doesn't detract from Sen. Obama's affection for Rev. Wright or his appreciation for the good works he has done."

Of course One of the reasons there are as many denominations and independent Churches within Christianity as there are is because people tend to congregate with like-minded believers under the teaching of a like-minded pastor - the comment by Obama that he goes to a church where he disagrees with the Pastor's sermons every Sunday. while calling him a good friend and mentor, does strain our credulity.

Indeed now Obama, who sat in those pews for 20 years, denies hearing this kind of stuff. If you look at the church website, they are more concerned with Africa than the Kingdom of GOD. While Obama says he never noticed, these speeches have been for sale by his Church on DVD's for a long time

Obama tells the media about Wright http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_557231.html
Q: What about this particular statement?

A: Obviously, I disagree with that. Here is what happens when you just cherry-pick statements from a guy who had a 40-year career as a pastor. There are times when people say things that are just wrong. But I think it’s important to judge me on what I’ve said in the past and what I believe.

Someone needs to explain how the following are just cherry-pick statements:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120545277093135111.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

In a speech made at Howard University in January 2006, he offered the following conspiracy theory:

Per the link above "Mr. Wright said: “We started the AIDS virus . . . We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. . . .”

I should note that MSNBC has determined that discussion of the above hurts Obama - so they will not play the video of Wright speaking. Keith Olberman does have his (pro-Obama) standards. But I expect we will see these videos in the fall via the GOP. I wonder how Obama's poll numbers will hold up then.




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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:00 PM
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1. I thought he DID play it at the top of the program ...
but didn't feel the need to replay it right before Obama's appearance. God knows MSNBC has played those
tapes enough on its other shows -- are you advocating wall-to-wall replays even if it adds nothing to
the debate?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:01 PM
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3. He showed all the clips minutes before Obama appeared on his show
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 02:02 PM by tridim
Quit lying please OP.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:12 PM
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6. Correct. The Tapes Were Shown
Fact seems to be in small supply these days
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:05 PM
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12. 45 seconds into the interview with Obama at link below "I see no reason to play it again" (re Wright
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:42 PM
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25. The Word Is "Again"
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 03:50 PM by Me.
You can't play something again if you haven't played them in the first place

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5083844
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:06 PM
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34. It is the lack of confrontation that I note - no hard questions - just a photo op
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:32 PM
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41. Nonsense
Your op was explicit in the charge he did not show the clips, which he did in their entirety the day the subject became hot. To not do so would have been a severe lapse on his part. If you do not like him or his opinions, that is your right, but he is not guilty of not showing the clips.

"so they will not play the video of Wright speaking. Keith Olbermann does have his (pro-Obama) standards"
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:08 PM
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16. link
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:08 PM
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15. link
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:00 PM
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2. Probably.............
....because Keith, unlike most of the Media, is of the opinion (and I concur) that it has been done to death. Enough already - it has been shown, over and over and over, Obama has apologized, repudiated, denounced and rejected, over and over and over........letitgo............
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:09 PM
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17. 45 sec into link below KO says what you say - but the GOP won't go that route
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:01 PM
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4. I could swear that I saw some of the Wright footage on Countdown last week n/t
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Zueda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:07 PM
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5. That's because it WAS on Countdown just minutes before Obama appeared on the show to talk about it.
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 02:07 PM by Zueda
The OP is either ignorant or lying.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:14 PM
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7. and shouldn't this be in GD-P
anyway?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:12 PM
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20. The links the KO could have used by didn't - and refusing to confront Obama "no reason" - at
45 sec into http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk3Rra3CgMA

Add in his biased screed blaming Clinton for Ferraro - never noting that in terms of demography Ferroro was just speaking an obvious truth about many of the Obama victories
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:42 PM
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24. I'll bet you "the Reason"
you put it where you did is because you used up your GD-P threads on similar bullshit papau-give it a break will ya please?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:08 PM
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35. KO lack of confrontation - after his special comment to Clinton - show his "moral stand"
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:15 PM
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8. or both n/t
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:10 PM
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18. He refused to confront Obama with it - 45 sec into link "no reason to show it"
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:06 PM
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13. What set me off was Interview with Obama where KO refuses to play Wright tape
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:50 PM
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26. You're lying again.
Why? Didn't you read the responses to your own thread?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:09 PM
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36. watch interview - note no confrontation - just photo op and recording of Obama response
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:19 PM
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9. Liar, liar, pants on fire...
I beginning to think this has nothing to do with black vs. white. I think it's white vs. white. The white supremacists against the rest of us.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:14 PM
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21. 45 seconds into link - "no reason to show" - refuses to confront Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk3Rra3CgMA

indeed my post gives what KO could have discussed - but didn't

KO's bias is rather obvious.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:26 PM
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10. lies and the lying liars who tell them
While I can't find the clip on the net, I watched KO run a number of Rev. Wright clips just minutes before Obama was interviewed on Friday, March 14th. Indeed, at about the 39 second mark in KO's interview with Obama on that same day, KO references the fact that he has played those clips. It's at about 39 seconds into this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmOO2gBq768

Will papau admit in this thread that he is mistaken? :shrug:

"lies and the lying liars who tell them"...
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:15 PM
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22. 45 sec into the link "no reason to show" - KO refuses to confront Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk3Rra3CgMA

indeed my post gives some details KO could have used

KO's bias is obvious.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:34 PM
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28. Those clips WERE run at the top of the show

No matter how many times you spam this thread with "LA LA LA LA". :eyes:

Yes, KO has an obvious bias. Stephen Colbert said it best: “Reality has a well-known liberal bias.”

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:10 PM
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37. yes they were - but there was no confrontation with Obama - just photo op and recording
of Obama excuses
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:15 PM
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40. I don't think we watched the same program.

You were watching it through your Hillary tinted glasses.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:28 PM
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11. He DID play it at the top of his program
on Friday of last week. What's wrong with you anyway?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:07 PM
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14. 45 seconds into interview with Obama KO says "no reason to play it again"
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:11 PM
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38. The point is the statement "no reason" and the photo op no confrontation recording of Obama excuses
KO bia is obvious
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:11 PM
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19. He did broadcast it.......check your facts before posting
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:17 PM
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23. link - 45 sec into it he refused to confront Obama w/ tape "no reason to"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk3Rra3CgMA


my post gives detail on what he could have said - but didn't

KO's bias is obvious
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:53 PM
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29. If it was already played, why on earth should KO
need to replay it? That doesn't make sense. Most people have memories that last longer that 45 seconds.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:03 PM
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31. confrontation - KO ran a softball give your excuse photo op with Obama - no tape to explain
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:56 PM
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30. Damn, don't you comprehend what people have
said about your post? Sheesh! You sound like a broken record.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:04 PM
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32. unreal - do you understand the dif between soft ball phgoto op and confrontation?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:11 PM
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39. yes it was broadcast = but no confrontation - just photo op and recording of Obama excuses
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:30 PM
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27. i suppose this video should be run 24/7 until hell freezes over
or barack wins the presidency ....there`s another video with farrackhan`s endorsement maybe the media and the du can run this one 24/7
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:05 PM
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33. no - but the hard questions KO refused to ask - beyond how much do you love whites -will be asked bY
the GOP
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LibGranny Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:35 PM
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42. KO & Obama
Get your facts or STFU!
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danglingwrangler Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:32 PM
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43. Bullseye - Olbermann Anointed Obama as President 4 months ago
Your observation is shared by many and I used to like Keith Olbermann a lot until the media bias created wedge politics for me. The asinine Countdown show should have stayed out of the Democrats nomination process, as I have a very hard time watching CountDown now.
I now hold Keith in contempt. Sorry Keith - you truly lost me over Obama.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:39 AM
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45. Get over it. KO runs a news commentary show and he is free to say what he wants to.
If he seems to tilt to Obama, so be it. There are other commentators on cable news networks who tilt to Clinton. That's how it works.
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danglingwrangler Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 08:26 PM
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44. Obama is one slick deceiver
"Obviously, I disagree with that. Here is what happens when you just cherry-pick statements from a guy who had a 40-year career as a pastor. There are times when people say things that are just wrong. But I think it's important to judge me on what I've said in the past and what I believe."

Did you notice from Obama's statement above the key words "SAID" and "BELIEVE" where if he were really intellectually honest it would have been judge me on what I've DONE !!!! Just a simple carefully selected word changes the entire context of that statement.

Now that's one slick deceiver. Obama has earned the title SLICK !
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