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RedLetterRev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 08:32 AM
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Analyzing Hate Radio
I left a comment on an OP here (entitled "Just some of the calls for violence against Democrats/Liberals, Gays, Pro-Choice, etc") that drew some supportive comments itself. My original post was rather late at night and reflected a certain amount of frustration that has built up over the last 5 or 6 years in trying to draw some attention to the problem and to a solution (albeit a very small contribution) that I had offered toward it some time back. The original comment was:
About 5 years ago I put up a site with some volunteers where we analyzed FCC data and hate radio. We crossed low-power licenses with ownership and noted a huge trend toward cultish churches and small groups snapping up low-cost and free licenses to propagate hate-speech. We tried to get the word out about the FCC hiding ownership data and how it was damnear impossible with the "public" databases to ascertain true ownership and stockholder share information. In short, the "public" FCC databases are intentionally useless. We did our best to geolocate and pinpoint incidents of hate activity with hate radio.

Nobody gave a shit way back then, so I finally gave up and closed the site.

I'm sitting on a mountain of old data if anyone still gives a shit and wants to revive the project. I'm telling you now that it involves a load of computing power and a load of manual work. The FCC public databases are intentionally bullshit and it takes a lot of combing through to get ownership to match actual stations and actual locations. It takes a load of computing power and a load of programming (which I did and am still sitting on) and a load of care and manual checking to get it all to trace back to incidents of hate crimes to hate radio broadcasts.

It can be done, I'm willing to revive the project, but it takes people to do it. The data can be refreshed and the programming polished, but I can. Not. Do it alone. It's just too big.


Three DU posters, TheMartyred, PaulHo and tburnsten, suggested that I make this into an OP to see if we might generate some interest in reviving the project. It was fairly massive to start with and involved some interesting and tricky database programming to manipulate the raw data into something that began to tell a story. The problem with the original project is that I was the only experienced programmer and the original volunteers weren't that motivated back in the day when the lower-cost and free FCC licenses were just beginning to be snapped up and media consolidation wasn't at the insane level it is today. Hate-speech radio wasn't nearly so entrenched, and even though I was sounding an alarm then, it wasn't being taken so seriously. The volunteers just didn't keep up and I couldn't do the project by myself.

The internal layout consisted of raw public FCC files that were reformatted and fitted into post-relational database files for easy cross-relating. I chose a post-relational database first because I am most familiar with it having worked with post-relational/multidimensional/multirelational databases for over 30 years. Secondly, with a post-relational database, any datum can be related to any other datum in the entire system at any moment without having to build formal relationships, as must be done with clumsy relational databases such as SQL-based types. This allows infinite flexibility and infinite ways of examining data, allowing more information to be gained, simply by altering queries. Additionally, I colocated geolocation information so that areas or hot-spots of incidents could be tracked with relative ease.

The missing link to the project has been the eyes and ears to track and record specific incidents and peg them to specific stations and link them with specific owners and shareholders. It is my opinion that the only reason that hate-speech radio survives is specifically because most people don't know -- or the FCC intentionally protects -- owners and shareholders of hate-speech radio. It is also my opinion that it is no mistake that hate-speech benefits a specific agenda, the fruits of which we have recently and painfully begun to see accelerate in ripening.

In the last five years, technology has moved forward and there are even better tools. The FCC databases, I will say again are intentionally obfuscated and ownership is disguised to protect the guilty. At this late a date, it is entirely too late to stop the flood, but it is never too late to bring awareness that public, citizen-owned airwaves have been hijacked and used for nefarious agenda, propaganda and out-and-out brainwashing. It is my opinion that this is a pitiful and shameful state of affairs, a misuse and abuse of public trust, and a misuse of publicly-owned property; specifically, the use of publicly-owned property to promote violence, division and hatred against citizens of the United States of America.

Again, my time is limited, since I am having to work three jobs in order to keep month and money matched up. Usually, I'm successful. As winter approaches and farming and weddings slow down, I'll have more time to lay the data out again and to be specific with the analyses and approaches. If this project is to re-launch, however, I will need seriously experienced database, analysis and journalist people to handle a good deal of the footwork. I will also need eyes and ears everywhere who are willing to make entries with specifics. It would be my strongest desire to post the findings in the form of periodic reports back to DU in the appropriate forum. It would also be one of my strongest desires to coordinate this effort with the DU owners and mods, since it is a project that may further Democratic and Progressive agenda. That is entirely up to them; otherwise, if this project takes life, then results or findings can take the form of posts just like any other news or findings post.

I don't mind hosting the databases (they're rather huge, but I have a good-sized server with room), but I'd feel more comfortable if parts were shared-out and backed-up all over against disaster scenarios.

IF and only if there is any real interest in reviving the project. I spent many hundreds of hours programming, shuffling data, making gold out of the turd-databases that the FCC offers publicly, designing web pages, writing AJAX to feed a custom data transport to a UniVerse database, writing thousands of lines of code, only to have volunteers find other things to do because listening to hate-radio is a vile occupation. Documenting comments and pegging those to hate crimes is an even worse one.

I understand that, fully. But either we continue to wring our hands after the fact as we're once again doing now, or we'll put rubber to the road and do something. I'm willing, but I do currently feel so very alone.

And finally, being a newcomer to DU, can someone advise me on the proper way to cross-post to the database forum and if that would be appropriate? Thanks!!
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 08:54 AM
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1. Whew Dude, I got worn out just reading about the work you've
done on this project. I'm no computer genius, but I'd be willing to help with this seriously worthwhile mission in whatever way I could.

Have you posted this in the General Discussion section as a separate thread? It would get more exposure and maybe not fall off the page so fast.

Welcome to DU RedLetterRev!
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RedLetterRev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 09:21 AM
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3. Hey, thanks for the welcome!
What's the proper way to do that? Copy the text of the post and post it as a new entry under the alternate heading? I don't see a way to enter a multiple-guess, so I'm figuring that's how it's done.

GD would be a good place and I'm thinking that Computers/Database, etc... it's a pretty hefty data project with about 15 great-honkin' files; about 20GB of reference data just to start. Then you sling in all the report stuff behind that. Yeah, it gets pretty massive, pretty quick. All hands on deck, 'n' all that. All the reference stuff is there; it just needs to be updated.

It's getting the report stuff in, slowly-but-surely. That's where the tedium sets in and that's the "I can't stomach it" part for volunteers. I don't blame anyone for that.
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-08 02:18 AM
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15. You're welcome for the welcome. Yeah, just C&P what you wrote
in this thread and post it under GD. I'm kind of behind on getting back to you. For all I know you've already done that.

Data entry doesn't bother me. Kinda like occupational therapy, lol.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 08:54 AM
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2. Kerry's PAC is starting a project to fight smears
Edited on Thu Aug-14-08 08:57 AM by Kire
http://www.truthfightsback.com/site/splash/

They are asking people to submit smears in the current election.

More in GD: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3794274

I bet you could find somebody to talk to there who could provide some direction for your project.

DU'er TayTay has been very responsive.

I don't have any programming experience, but I'd be willing to do a little data entry now and then, or something simple like that. I could use a good excuse to learn something like that.

I can't committ to a whole lot immediately, but I'm interested in learnign more. Send me a PM and tell me what kind of things you need people to do, and we can talk. I like big projects like this. I hope it works out, and helps someone.

good luck
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RedLetterRev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 09:24 AM
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4. Thanks!! I'll check it out when I get a sec
mebbe could you post a link back this way? I think if we approach smears from several different directions and meet in the middle, that would be our most effective tack. There are so many fires to fight, we have to fight them intelligently and with every possible resource.

We're the smarter group. We can do this.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:02 AM
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5. I'm not sure what you mean
"post a link back this way?"

there are two links in the post you replied to

what else were you looking for?
thanks
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:05 AM
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6. K and R # 5 nt
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:22 AM
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7. well, i'd like to help
i haven't the specific computer skills you need (i can do data input), but i would be willing to listen to am radio on a regular basis. not 24/7 or anything, an hour or two a week maybe. it may not be much but i would NEVER soil my beautiful mind with even a minute of that shit voluntarily unless it was a really good cause. as far as pegging the talk to specific crimes, point me the way and i'll happily try to help with the research.

sounds interesting.
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RedLetterRev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 10:39 AM
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8. Thanks Barb
That really was the missing link. Honestly, that is the most difficult piece of the puzzle and the part I don't blame anyone for not wanting to do. The gemuscheling of the data isn't that difficult, even though it is a lot of stuff to amass and keep up with. Listening to hate radio always made me want to go scrub with bleach, bodily and then entire house, after about five minutes.

Tell y'all what I'll do. I'll go back into the archives on my server, make some DVD's of the databases and start putting them back together. This will take a bit of time. Not like months or anything, but at least a couple of weeks. Perhaps if we keep this thread alive and the mods see a demonstrated interest in design and the discussion continues, there may be an interest for a forum. It'll be up to us to make it happen.

I'll keep everyone apprised of what I'm doing, what I've managed to recover, how I'm putting things together, what's on-hand and what suggestions I'm able to implement. If there are any program-capable people (web-savvy folks, AJAX-savvy folks, folks who will eventually be able to make entries in a web page or two to begin tracking and tying events and places together), perhaps a core of people can begin coordinating a working group.

Nothing's in stone. 'T'ain't even on paper yet. But I'm getting some hope that the project may once again breathe some life. The mechanics aren't that difficult, but there is tedious, slog-work to be done. Up until now, no-one has really had the organization... or the stomach for that matter... to do it.

My humblest gratitude for the response so far.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 11:16 AM
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9. that sounds like a plan
keep me posted and let me know when and what - i appreciate the opportunity.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:33 PM
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10. K & R
Edited on Thu Aug-14-08 12:35 PM by BrklynLiberal
Would this be something that Media Matters might be able to help out with...or be interested in..If only to help supply some info on how they monitor the media they way they do.
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RedLetterRev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:55 PM
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11. Only periphrally
Tackling those FCC databases isn't for the timid. They're a shambles, and I say again, intentionally so. What we did those years back hadn't been done and AFAIK hasn't been repeated, at least not in the manner we did or are discussing doing again. The idea is many-pronged: first, locate each station and identify (to the extent possible) the degree of ownership of each shareholder. This is all public information, but terribly obscure to tie together. Next, monitor the content for inflammatory speech (Media Matters does do this to an extent). Note advertisers during slots where hateful and inciting speech is occurring. Tying the two together is of great importance (I'm getting there in a sec). Monitor incidents of hateful action that are directly attributed to incitement from hate radio. There are enough attributions (such as in the recent UU church incident) to make some reasonable claims. Next, issue action letters to people who are willing to stay on the backs of shareholders and advertisers alike to hold them accountable for funding hate crimes through advertising dollars and shareholder investments.

In short, follow the money and pull the plug on it. But it takes a buttload of accounting to be able to do that, of a kind that simply doesn't exist right now AFAIK. And as far as the RW is concerned, either isn't possible (because of the amount of obfuscation) (I beg to differ) or we aren't motivated enough to call their bluff (again, I beg to differ).

Again, the biggest reasons that this hasn't been done is that it requires a lot of data cleaning and conditioning, it's very tedious to monitor, requires loads of eyes and ears, and requires an enormous amount of dedication. It's true that no one entity can be everywhere, but lots of committed folks can and already are. That's what WE know.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 12:58 PM
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12. Wow! That is a big and complicated undertaking.
I live in NYC, and avoid the hatemongers like the plague. They make me physically ill.
If the time comes when there is something I can do from here, let me know.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-08 03:11 PM
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13. K & R Welcome and thank you for collecting all this data!
I can only offer moral support at this time, but want to encourage such a great idea. You could actually save lives and influence the enforcement of FCC rules against hate speech and violent threats on the air.
Please keep posting about this, and keep in mind August is vacation season and you may get better response at another time--Good Luck!!!!:)
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-15-08 06:38 AM
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14. have you offered it to Media Matters? n/t
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:04 AM
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16. Your dedication deserves recognition, thank you!
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