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bjorkfan Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:40 PM
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Bush: All religions pray to 'same God' (Christian base angry)
President George Bush has repeated his belief all religions, "whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God" – an assertion that caused outrage among evangelical leaders when he said it in November 2003.

Bush made the statement Friday in an interview with Al Arabiya reporter Elie Nakouzi.

Al Arabiya is Al Jazeerah's top competitor in the Mideast.

As the president and Nakouzi walked from the Oval Office to the Map Room in the White House residence, Nazouki asked, "But I want to tell you – and I hope this doesn't bother you at all – that in the Islamic world they think that President Bush is an enemy of Islam – that he wants to destroy their religion, what they believe in. Is that in any way true, Mr. President?"

"No, it's not," said Bush. "I've heard that, and it just shows to show a couple of things: One, that the radicals have done a good job of propagandizing. In other words, they've spread the word that this really isn't peaceful people versus radical people or terrorists, this is really about the America not liking Islam.

"Well, first of all, I believe in an Almighty God, and I believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God. That's what I believe. I believe that Islam is a great religion that preaches peace. And I believe people who murder the innocent to achieve political objectives aren't religious people, whether they be a Christian who does that – we had a person blow up our – blow up a federal building in Oklahoma City who professed to be a Christian, but that's not a Christian act to kill innocent people.

"And I just simply don't subscribe to the idea that murdering innocent men, women and children – particularly Muslim men, women and children in the Middle East – is an act of somebody who is a religious person.

Friday's statement echoes one made by Bush in November 2003 during a joint press conference with then-Prime Minister Tony Blair. A reporter noted Bush had frequently expressed the view that freedom is a gift from "the Almighty," but questioned whether Bush believes "Muslims worship the same Almighty" as the president and other Christians do.

"I do say that freedom is the Almighty's gift to every person. I also condition it by saying freedom is not America's gift to the world," Bush replied. "It's much greater than that, of course. And I believe we worship the same god," reported the London Telegraph.

Reaction from U.S. evangelical leaders was swift and strong.

Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant denomination, was quoted in the Baptist Press as saying the president "is simply mistaken."

According to a Washington Post account, Land said in an interview: "We should always remember that he is commander in chief, not theologian in chief. The Bible is clear on this: The one and true god is Jehovah, and his only begotten son is Jesus Christ."

The Rev. Ted Haggard, then-president of the National Association of Evangelicals, also contradicted the president in a press statement. "The Christian God encourages freedom, love, forgiveness, prosperity and health," said Haggard. "The Muslim god appears to value the opposite. The personalities of each god are evident in the cultures, civilizations and dispositions of the peoples that serve them. Muhammad's central message was submission; Jesus' central message was love. They seem to be very different personalities."

In November 2006, Haggard was forced to resign from NAE following allegations of drug use and sex with a homosexual prostitute.

Gary Bauer, former presidential candidate and president of American Values, said Bush's comment was "not helpful to the president. Since everybody agrees he's not a theologian, he would be much better advised to punt when he gets that kind of question."

In Friday's interview with Al Arabiya, Bush emphasized his outreach to Muslims.

"We are having an Iftaar dinner tonight – I say, 'we' – it's my wife and I," Bush told Nakouzi. "This is the seventh one in the seven years I've been the president. It gives me a chance to say 'Ramadan Mubarak.' The reason I do this is I want people to understand about my country. In other words, I hope this message gets out of America. I want people to understand that one of the great freedoms in America is the right for people to worship any way they see fit. If you're a Muslim, an agnostic, a Christian, a Jew, a Hindu, you're equally American.

"And the value – the most valuable thing I think about America is that – particularly if you're a religious person – you can be free to worship, and it's your choice to make. It's not the state's choice, and you shouldn't be intimidated after you've made your choice. And that's a right that I jealously guard.

"Secondly, I want American citizens to see me hosting an Iftaar dinner."

"That's a strong message for the Americans," said Nakouzi.

Last year, WND reported criticism of Bush from Wafa Sultan, a native of Syria, who said the president was empowering terrorist leaders whose ultimate aim is for Islamic law to govern the world by proclaiming Islam a "religion of peace."

"I believe he undermines our credibility by saying that," said Sultan. "We came from Islam, and we know what kind of religion Islam is."

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58026

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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:50 PM
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1. We have a jerk in the WH who claims to be a Christian but kills Iraqis by the thousands
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:56 PM
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2. o.h m.y g.o.d Watching these idiots get bent out of shape
has NEVER BEEN MORE FUN!

Thanks, George!

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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 10:56 PM
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3. You are so......
fucking stupid, you dont understand how big a hypocrit you are.

" And I just simply don't subscribe to the idea that murdering innocent men, women and children – particularly Muslim men, women and children in the Middle East – is an act of somebody who is a religious person. "

You are 100% responsible for the death of over 1 million men women and children you war mongering fuck.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:02 PM
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4. If there is only one God then essentially everyone would worshipping the same God
If Land and others disagree then they are saying that there is more than one God.
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bjorkfan Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:13 PM
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5. They believe there is more than one spiritual force...
Traditional Christians believe in God and Satan, and that Satan has fallen angels called demons. Christians would say that any deity outside of the revelations of the Old and New Testament - including Allah of the Koran - are really demons. The clash with Islam's concept of God is that Christians believe in a Trinity where Jesus is the son of God and equal to God, while Sura 23: 91 says that "Allah hath not chosen any son, nor is there any God along with him." I don't know how religious Jews see the issue.
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:28 PM
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7. Satan IS a fallen angel.
IIRC, to a Christian, the Christian triune God is the only real spiritual force to be reckoned with. Satan isn't nearly as powerful as he appears in the movies.

If you read the Bible literally, when God says not to worship other Gods before Him, he gives lie to the myth that the Christian God is the only one. The literalists seem to do a lot of backpedaling on that passage.


:::Pagan ex-Sunday School teacher:::
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:20 PM
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6. Not only does he not walk the walk, he doesn't even talk the talk.
When I was an evangelical Christian a statement like that would have made my head explode. That's not even taking into account the hypocrisy of what he goes on to say about murdering innocents.

I wonder if he still thinks Wicca is not a "real" religion. If there was a central body of Wiccans who could help him or his cronies politically or financially he would sing a much different tune, methinks.

It is amazing how he can manage to piss off so many different people and still remain in office and unchallenged on his baloney.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-10-07 11:59 PM
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8. Bush makes me want to puke! Does he really believe what he says?
:puke:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-11-07 01:05 AM
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9. I think Richard Land and the president could work this out in a cage fight
I'd pay to see that one.
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-19-07 11:25 PM
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14. W vs. DickLand vs. Ted Haggard ...
you could have a steel cage match with coke, hookers (male & female), booze, & guns. Maybe they could beat each other half to death with a copy of the King James Edition of the "Holy" bible.

I'm not sure what makes me sicker ...

W kissing some Muslim reporter's ass and trying to convince him that he "really likes/respects Muslims" (when he's not killing them).

DickLand looking down his fat snout at the heathen non-baptists and pronouncing others religious views as unworthy.

Ted Haggard? Snorting coke off a male hookers ass and then telling the rest of us we're going to burn in hell for drinking a beer or playing cards (or, heaven forbid, DANCING with a woman we're not married to).

What a bunch of fucking asshole jerkoff pieces of shit.

(wow, that's 50 posts ... only 950 more to go...)
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Larynx Oblation Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-22-07 10:50 PM
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10. Bu$h*t Worships...
Eric Clapton?! :headbang:
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lyonspotter Donating Member (751 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 02:12 PM
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11. George W Bush Battles Jesus Christ
Bush doesn't know what he is talking about. He uses Christianity for political posturing, nothing more. How could Christians who say that Jesus is God, and Jews who say that Yahweh is God but Christ was not, and Muslims who say that Christ was just a prophet and was not God, all be praying to the same person/God??? Basically, the issue is whether or not they are all praying to Jesus, and by their own admission, they are NOT praying to the same God.

Watch this video, two versions of the same theme:

1) http://youtube.com/watch?v=KsF-RiMzGpk

2) http://youtube.com/watch?v=t8xufsr2log

It truly is sad that Bush has coerced and duped the Christian community, as his politics and behavior are far from "Christ-like".
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bjorkfan Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-27-07 02:41 PM
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12. His Iraq war is certainly battling Iraq's Christians....
Just look at how they are fleeing their country because of persecution happening under our occupation, no less!
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DoubleOZero Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:48 PM
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13. Hair-splitting theology
I think it was a fair statement. Arguing whether we all truly worship the same God or not is a theological question that should be asked among theological people. However, this is the leader of a country trying to express an idea of equality among all people of all faiths, correct? I think that was a reasonable statement -- and I'm saying that as a Christian myself. It's not worth getting into hairsplitting on if we all actually worship the same God, as that's not the point. The point is all people of all religions should be treated with equal respect and given equal rights. From that angle, I think Bush's statement was more or less sound. If theses Christian groups want to get up in arms about it, fine, but let be among themselves, not to everyone else -- It makes us appear sadly elitist.
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awc55 Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-28-07 09:53 AM
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15. Jesus is God???
You might recall that Jesus is professed to be the "Son of God", or "Son of Man" in his own words.
While not religious, I think most Christians believe him to be a prophet or as a son who sits at Gods right hand in heaven.
Never thought I'd be discussing religion in public, but some misrepresentations are too great to ignore.
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