Rev. Sun Myung moon and his influence on R/W Washington.

[angrycarpenter]

For those who did not live through the seventies. There was once a widespread cult that took hold on the university campuses of America. It was (and is) called the Unification Church. It's leader Sun Myung Moon is from south Korea and claims to be the second coming of Christ. He also calls himself the emperor of the universe and claims endorsements from several dead presidents.

Back in the seventies young men and women standing in airports, train stations and road sides selling flowers were a common sight. These moonies were recruited from campuses across the country and brainwashed into cutting off all contact with family and worked from dawn to dusk selling flowers to fund a lifestyle for rev. Moon that would make emperors jealous. He was famous for having everything he was to come in contact with made from solid gold. his followers were allowed only 4 hours of sleep a night, They slept on the floor in remote houses, were fed a thin diet of rice and transported in closed vans to the place where they would stand all day selling flowers and other things. Followers were also shuffled periodically to different cities to avoid families from finding their children and kidnapping them back.

From the beginning Rev. moon supported republicans. Soon after the American founding of the church Rev. Moon spoke out publicly in support of President Nixon during the Watergate scandal and even held public prayer vigils at the capital for Nixon. Nixon thanked him by inviting him to the White house.

In 1982 he was convicted of tax fraud and served a year and a half in prison. Most people have not heard his name since and assume he is dead or discredited if they think of him at all but nothing could be father from the truth.

Because members of the church are urged to sell everything they own and donate it to the church, Moon has become incredibly wealthy. He owns among other things, The Washington times, United press International, Pyeonghwa Motors the only car manufacturing company in NORTH Korea. he sells computers in Japan, seafood in Alaska, Weapons and ginseng in S. Korea, A horse farm in Texas, and golf courses all over the world. His son, a church official, owns Kahr arms of Blauvelt New York.

His Relationship with the elder President Bush dates back many years, In the mid nineties GHWB accepted millions to go on an international speaking tour on his behalf, he was instrumental in the church's acceptance in Japan. The Bush family have been the guests of Moon many times and seem to have a close personal relationship.

His Ownership of the Washington times is rather troubling. He has sunk an estimated 1.7 to 2 billion dollars to fund a newspaper that has never made money. It's writers are frequent guests on Fox news and have often been caught telling false stories in defense of White house scandals most notably Joseph Curl on the Plame leak. In 2004 the Washington times foundation gave one million dollars to help build the GWB presidential library.

Perhaps the most puzzling event in recent history happened in 2004 when Moon was crowned emperor of the universe by Rep. Danny K. Davis (D) of Illinios with at least 12 members of congress in attendance. The event happened at the Dirkson senate office building in Washington and no one would have ever known if the story had not surfaced on an internet website. Some of the attending lawmakers claimed they had been duped into attendance but no one walked out and nearly everyone bowed to Moon when instructed.

Who is this Man that claims to be the son of god who seems to have the ear of both former President Bushes, the right wing media, and an unknown number of congressmen from both sides of the aisle? I wish I knew, but I think the right wing should pick their friends better.

[Warpy]

1. Has there been any sighting in the last year or so?

The last he was sighted in public was when he was admitted to hospital after a July, 2008 helicopter crash.

He's 88 years old if he's still alive. Either he's incapacitated or dead, IMO. The power struggle over his empire will ensue shortly.

If he's dead, they're barely holding things together because the last thing you can tell one of those god on earth cults is that god was as mortal as they were and is dead.

[angrycarpenter]

4. They are as much a business empire as a church.

They will find a way to insure the money keeps coming. He could say god is sending him to another planet or something.

[RaleighNCDUer]

12. As much? I'd say, much more.

Just like L Ron Fucking Hubbard he invented a religion to make himself rich, then turned around and put the church funds into international arms dealing and extreme RW propaganda.

He's a fucking Bond villain and ought to be eaten by sharks wearing lasers on their fricking heads.

(So is Rupert Murdoch, but that's a different rant.)

[angrycarpenter]

9. I checked it seems he has named a son as his replacment. nt.

[Warpy]

13. Yes, but eventually the rest of the family will want a bigger cut

My own best guess is that he didn't recover from the crash and is incapacitated. His death, when it happens, will be covered up as long as possible.

I'm just amazed that it's been 11 months already and none of the faithful has caught on yet.

[Cell Whitman]

15. the youngest son has been named head of the FFWPUI

which most people understand to be the "church" now but that is long story including the fact that Moon does not believe religion should exist anymore as all of them are to be meshed under his ideology. His daughter was groomed for and is in charge of the "church" in the USA. She's gearing up all his media operations (Moon owns the largest video production facilities "east of California") to change the image of the organization. She's friends with major players in the media world. The real power is his oldest living son who is in charge of the world wide political machinery. I seriously doubt there will any major "infighting" after Moon dies. All these statements would take more time than I have to explain.

Notice I said "oldset living son" above, Hyo Jin, formerly the oldest, died a year ago last March. You can see him here:

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/nan-sook-hong/1354477572

[Cell Whitman]

14. He's very much alive

I have seen many, many videos of him this year speaking at event and at his morning meetings with followers, including quite recently. He is 90 and looks a bit frail at times but he has his own hospital and hundreds of followers who wait on him hand and foot. He has slowed his schedule but that is understandable. He's building a resort in Yeosu, southern SK, and his organization is planning a massive "church" to be built in Seoul.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. If it weren't for all the money that Jerry Falwell took from the Unification "Church",

Moon would've been condemned as a heathen and false prophet.

[angrycarpenter]

3. I wanted to include that in the article but I couldn't find a reliable source. nt.

[Cell Whitman]

17. The story of Moon funding Falwell is well known and documented

Robert Parry broke that story many years ago. Even a writer with Forbes reported it - though I do not know if Forbes properly credited Parry. If you haven't already, may I suggest you read Parry's series on Moon. It has the facts.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/moon.html

this is one of his articles on Falwell which has the famous photo of Moon hugging Falwell.

http://www.freedomofmind.com/stevehassan/presskit/articles/parry1.htm

from Forbes - though I think they may have their figures wrong. Moon also lent Falwell 400gs at low interest.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2008/0901/030.html

Moonstruck
Facing financial ruin from $90 million of debt coming due, Jerry Falwell saved his fundamentalist Baptist organization with secret funding from the doctrinally different church of the Reverend Sun Myung Moon, a new book says. Falwell Inc., by FORBES senior reporter Dirk Smillie, says Moon's Unification Church--which holds that Jesus met a youthful Moon in Korea on Easter Day 1935--gave Falwell $5.5 million in 1992 and 1993 that allowed him to buy up $29 million of debt at a big discount and gain needed breathing room. Moral Majority founder Falwell, who died last year, credited others for the largesse in what the book calls "probably the biggest whopper Falwell ever told." --W.P.B.

Moon outspent anyone the last 30 years funding and molding the conservative movement in the US we see today. IMO, conservatism would not be as extreme as it is today - nor would they have gained control of all three branches of government as they did under Bush absent Moon's cash, operatives and front organizations. U.S. News and World Report in March of 1989 stated that virtually every conservative organization in DC had ties to Moon.

He does not give cash to politicians as we are used to seeing it. Sure he has given the Bush family millions, but they are "special" like Falwell. Major shills. Mainly Moon funds the backbone to his brand of conservatism, the media and fronts like the American Freedom Coalition and Washington Times.

I suggest you read this also if you have not.

http://www.mediachannel.org/originals/moontranscript.shtml

and this about the Republicans working with Moon, the "messianic" theocrat, to tear down the wall between church and state.

http://www.au.org/media/church-and-state/archives/2001/06/moon-shadow.html

[angrycarpenter]

20. I am glad to see I am not the only one worried about him.

Thank-you for your contribution to a informational thread that even I felt was kind of weak.

[RandomThoughts]

5. I heard he put the false crown on his own head.

Also people did leave the room, one of the pictures that got out about the event showed a bunch of people heading out the door when the realized what was going on.

[angrycarpenter]

7. I could not find but one source for a description of the fiasco.

I know there could be a whole lot of hearsay involved, but it did happen on government property, some one pulled this off with full knowledge of what was going on.

[RandomThoughts]

10. My source was from a news paper that published the story

after it happened, I can't source it, but there was one small picture that looked like it was taken from a guy holding a camera over peoples heads from outside the door.

it had people moving out the door, and the stage in the background through the door.

There are a few occult societies that work in secrecy that include many people in power. Many of them do not treat it as occult, but that is the intent of one of the deceptions of evil, to just say it is people messing around.

Bohemian grove is part of a nature religion, sorta thinks itself as druidic, and it has members that have many in powerful positions. They have a mock human sacrifice where people in robes speak of cremating care. The film of it is on google, but the narration has a bias. Standard human sacrifice ritual of old BC times.

Many Fraternities have death cults, but people don't know the rituals are of spiritual origin.

Some Fraternal organizations include both cults, and other traditional religions also.

If it is secret, their is usually a reason, and that reason is that most people would never allow such things in people that are suppose to serve society in public office, or even in the private sector.

I am not advocating for lack of religious freedom for people of different beliefs, it is that those beliefs invoke things that most people would agree is not best for society.

(not being offensive to Hulu)
But the Hulu commercials match the basic philosophy really accurately. First say it is aliens, so nobody thinks supernatural exist, then make some false threat like destruction is inevitable, or nobody can resist, then make an offer that if the person joins evil they will be rewarded and have their brain sucked out last.

That's why 'No Deals' is what I found to be the best thought. After all, God doesn't need you to make a deal, "what does God need with a spaceship?" - StarTrek 5. Only limited power like evil would need a deal from a person.

This is the biggest way people sell out society, but its not to aliens. Its a big trick, it uses fear, and manipulation of perspective to make people hopeless, then in fear or for self gain, they make a deal to hurt many other people in exchange for no fear put on them, or for fleeting false gain.

[gateley]

6. The "church" has a home/headquarters in one of Seattle's toniest enclaves --

and they've been there for years. Appraised at over $4,000,000.

http://www5.kingcounty.gov/kcgisreports/property_report.aspx?PIN=1125049119

Check out a photo on Google Earth. They continue to do well, apparently.

6601 NE WINDMERE RD
SEATTLE WA 98115

Edit to add -- ANYBODY with gobs of money has plenty of influence on the RW.

[blm]

8. You forgot - he controls over HALF this nation's fishing industry, and ALL the land above the

world's largest aquifer, over a million acres along the Uruguay and Paraguay borders - the Guarani Aquifer.

[MADem]

11. I called around and found out who "scheduled the room" for that crowning shindig!

Back when I had friends on the Hill in large numbers! See, you can't just barge on in and hold something in that room--someone has to get on the calendar to use it.

It was John Warner, IIRC. I think he later owned up to it, but claimed ignorance as to the purpose of the event.

[angrycarpenter]

16. I know this really isn't a good article.

But I was sitting around and realized that I had posted rants and sob stories, opinions and criticism but I had never written an informational article. So I gave it a try. I know it is kind of old news but when it comes down to it I am not that well informed to write current events.

[Cell Whitman]

18. angrycarpenter, you did great!

You jumped into the deepest most convoluted political story in our nation's history, imo. Moon is not easy to write about since there is so much to it, and its many parts change. One professor wrote me and said it was like trying to nail jell-o to a wall.

You can read something about him from a very reliable source but some aspects may have changed. That is one reason so few know about Moon, he is a moving target in a way. The more you read the more you learn, and you learned a lot.

Even this BBC documentary from 2000 has some minor errors in it. (they did not parade Moon's dead son's body around when Moon married him to an aids living daughter for instance.)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2215097044216099155&hl=en

also this is long but very, very informative about Moon's media:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9008719207533458404

Note that at one time there were a couple of Moon followers doctoring his wiki pages. At times wiki is quite good on Moon and other times ...well, not so good imo...

But, I think you did GREAT and I have studied him for many years.

angrycarpenter, Keep up the good work!

[blm]

22. I agree with Cell....it's one of the most under-reported stories of the last 20yrs.

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[Cell Whitman]

19. in fact

what you wrote was outstanding. The world is blind to him and you just helped open some eyes. Pat yourself on the back you deserve it!

this will give you an outline of what Moon is doing now.

http://www.moontribune.com/cult/2008/11/24/christian-church-leaders-call-sun-myung-moon-the-devil-and-anti-christ/

[Historic NY]

21. They are still a cult but now they have church status thanks to the GOP.