CONSERVATIVES are FOR government, yet also AGAINST government... Can this be explained???

[AnArmyVeteran]

CONSERVATIVES TRUST GOVERNMENT TO COMMIT VIOLENT ACTS, BUT NOT TO HELP HUMAN BEINGS GET HEALTH CARE:

Conservatives say they fear government intrusion into their lives, but seem oblivious to the fact that our culture is under constant attack by corporate intrusions. Conservatives say they don't trust government, but they trust government to start wars, even if the war is against countries which never threatened us. Conservatives trust the government to go to war and bomb people, trust government to spy on people, trust the government to incarcerate people indefinitely without charges, trust government to torture people, trust government to arrest people without warrants, trust government to use secret wiretaps on American citizens, trust government to execute people, even though hundreds of innocent people have been exonerated through DNA and released. 

It is baffling how conservatives can TRUST government to kill, imprison, spy, maim, destroy and torture, but not trust government to help heal those who are sick? While they have an almost irrational fear of the government, they have unlimited amount of respect and admiration for government when it is acting ruthlessly against human being. Conservatives also have a blind allegiance to businesses and corporate leaders. They seem to believe corporations will always act in the best interests of human beings, forgetting that almost any corporate leader will succumb to the same greed as the Ken Lays and Bernie Madoffs of the business world.

Why do conservatives blindly support and trust business leaders who make all of their decisions based on extracting as much money from people as possible? Do they really believe an insurance executive will act with the best interests of a patient in mind? Do they really believe they will sacrifice a dollar in salary or dent their million dollar bonuses to treat a sick or dying person? Do they really believe business leaders are 'gods' to be worshipped? Right wing conservatives somehow look at capitalism as a religion with corporate leaders as its disciples. Their faith is in profits, while attacking people who dare speak out against their 'gods'. 

There are no amount of words in any language strong enough to dent the impenetrable wall right wing conservatives have erected. It is heavily fortified with the steady stream of verbal hatred, anger, fear, and yes, even racism that spews forth from the dishonest people on talk radio or Fox News. Those who listen to these forums of hate and propaganda do so without question, without thought, and certainly without verificiation.

Throughout our nation's history radical organizations like the KKK, John Birch Society and countless right wing militia groups have been able to manipulate fringe elements in society enticing them with talk of 'family values', 'christianity', 'anti-immigration', 'patriotism', and the like, but each time such organizations ultimately fail, because hatred cannot sustain itself for extended periods of time, no matter how heavily it is cloaked with illusionary ideals. 

I feel confident the current right wing conservative extremism which has infected the minds and hearts of so many will one day fade, but how many additional lives will be sacrificed in its deadly wake. Conservatives must silently cheer on as each of the 45,000 Americans die each year because of lack of access to health care. I wonder how conservatives would react if terrorists were killing 45,000 Americans each year? They willingly spent trillions to avenge the deaths of less than 3,000 Americans on 9/11, even clamoring to go to war against a country which had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks and which posed zero threat to the United States. Given their propensity of using violence toward those who seek to harm Americans, why aren't conservatives taking up arms and condemning the corporate insurance terrorists who are essentially murdering 45,000 Americans each year?

Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda used planes as weapons to kill, while corrupt and evil insurance companies use lobbyists, government prostitutes (republican congressmen), and laws written by the insurance industry to kill 15 times the number of Americans who died on 9/11 each year. And since 9/11, the current corrupt health care system created by the soulless insurance industry, is responsible for killing more than 1,350 times the number of Americans lost on 9/11. So far, over 400,000 uninsured Americans have died at the hands of the soulless insurance industry since terrorists attacked us on September 11, 2001. Conservatives are still justifiably outraged at those who killed the 3,000 9/11 victims, but they are defending the deliberate acts committed by insurance terrorists against 400,000 of their fellow Americans. Just what is the difference between Osama bin Laden, the 'CEO' of Al Qaeda, and the CEOs of the insurance companies in the United States. Both are killing innocent Americans. Both are sociopaths. Both only care about the means to achieving their evil ends. But in an ironic twist, at least Bin Laden is acting out of a demonic sense of hatred to achieve his goals, while insurance executives are killing purely for profit. That makes their crimes against humanity even more vile, despicable and unconscionable than the evil acts committed by Osama Bin Laden.

Where is the conservative outrage against Al Qaeda-like insurance industry? Why are they defending the abusers? Conservatives live in a dark, evil, soulless place where compassion, empathy or concern for their fellow man is non-existent. They live in a world of revenge, hatred, racism, fear, rage, torture, war, executions and destruction. They embrace all things which harm people, but are against any government measures which will help human beings. They always side with the rich and powerful, while condemning the vulnerable, the defenseless and the sick, constantly blaming the victims of abuse, and cheering on the perpetrators.

God help spare us from the evil which lurks in the dark recesses of a typical conservative extremist.

[MrScorpio]

1. They live in a strange world

I've given up trying to figure them out


PM. Great post BTW and welcome to DU

[AnArmyVeteran]

5. MrScorpio, I went to a Tea Party last April 15th, very scary

Under the guise of taking photographs of the tea baggers I also wandered through the crowds analyzing them as a sociologist, anthropologist and even as a psychiatrist. It was quite the spectacle. Most were older and at least a quarter of them were probably on Medicare. I bet everyone there either was getting government health care or had a family member who was receiving it.

Almost all of the subjects (I didn't say 'people ;) I photographed looked angry, some even scary. A lot where in camouflage outfits, although I doubt they served in the military. After all, the people they seem to worship, like all the talking heads on Fox News or on right wing radio never served their country in the military. But that doesn't stop them from cheering on wars based on lies and sending our brave soldiers to die needlessly. What sickens me the most is how right wing radio hosts constant use words of patriotism, liberty and freedom, even though when it was their time to serve, they cowardly ran, as Rush Limbaugh did during the Vietnam War. I often have wondered who died so that Rush Limbaugh could live his life of hatred. I wonder who took Limbaugh's place and was buried in the Arlington National Cemetery simply because they didn't have the connections to avoid serving their country, as so many prominent conservatives did.

But back to your point about trying to figure them out. It's obvious they are easily manipulated and they are driven by all of the worst, most primal of human traits. They are consumed with fear, hatred, anger, racism and greed. And what sickens me is they 'claim' to be 'Christians' even though they condemn everything Jesus stood for. Although I know a lot of decent Christians, I feel it is impossible for a right wing conservative extremist to be a Christian. They are opposite of each other.

[FrenchieCat]

2. that's like them wanting government to legislate what

one does in one's bedroom, and what a women does with her body.....

but don't think Government is trusted to legislate that Americans
should have affordable access to health care.

[opihimoimoi]

3. Them Pubs are part of the EXPLOITOR FEED CHAIN.....In their world, there are Ploitors and Ploitees.

and we all noes those PLOITs flow down hill...

The Lower Ploits get ploited by those above....

We are being Ploited to Death

[OffWithTheirHeads]

4. Government does not work!

Elect Republicans and they will prove it.

[MarshalltheIrish]

6. Outstanding and pervasive assessment!

I never cease to be appalled at how much right-wingers will prop up their arguments about the supposed evils of "big government" whenever it's against something that's supposed to be beneficial. Not just health care reform ("Socialism!"), but Social Security ("It's a ponzi scheme!"), financial reform ("Destroys free capitalism!"), the Department of Education ("No government intervention in our schools!"), and environmental/climate measures ("Global warming is a hoax!"). But, like you said, they're behind it for violent and primitive purposes, Constitution, checks and balances, and the rule of law all be damned (and then those things become the basis of their arguments when it's convenient). It's downright bizarre.

[h9socialist]

7. The Solution to this Paradox!

Conservatives are dedicated to the health furtherance of a hierarchical system based on the accumulation of capital. Consequently, anything government does to protect those accumulations is treated as legitimate -- anything that weakens the process of capital accumulation is seen,not only as illegitmate but as a threat.

So it is not surprising that conservatives are all for government spending aimed at putting down the claims of poor folks to some modicum of economic decency. So, consequently, they want to fund the police and FBI to put down poor folks domestically, and the Pentagon to do it internationally. If you protest this injustice, you're obviously "un-American."

But when it comes to governments doing decent things -- like feeding poor folks, or providing universal healthcare, lookout, it all changes. The only place to get the economic wherewithal to have a decent society is to take it out of the capital accumulations of the rich. Feeling as entitled as they do to the advantages of capital accumulation, they become indignant at any sort of public attack upon these stores of wealth.

As a socialist, it is my opinion that democracy should trump private property, and that the creation and maintenance of a functional society is far more important than some bastard's pursuit of self-aggrandizement, and/or personal wealth. Thus, I am for full socialized healthcare, full socialized daycare, free public education for all, establishing a constitutional right to meaningful employment at a living income, and, perhaps most importantly reducing the hours of work. These measures would not only create a more decent society, but a much freer one. Human freedom can be denominated in "free time." The more time a person has outside the institution, outside the chain of command, the freer that person is. That's why I think a full-time work week should be little more than 25 hours. This, of course, will wreak havoc on the capitalist logic of thrift, enterprise and accumulation. It is inconsistent with the capitalist fundamental of extracting profit from the labor of the workers. Excellent! It is, therefore inconsistent with the capitalist institution of "business enterprise." Even better!

The worst mistake of the conservative movement is the idea that capitalism is a meritocracy. It is not! It has nothing to do with any real contribution to society, otherwise the campesinos in Delano would be the meritorious and richest people in the world. Capitalism is a game of bestowing social and political power to those who have accumulated money. In this regard, it needs government in order to enforce private property rights and laws to assure that the sovereignty of capital is maintained. But if any contrary political forces takes the reigns of political power, conservatives must trash the power of government, in order to protect the hierarchy and power structure. That's why conservatives are so schizoid about government . . . it's also why the US in particular needs a much stronger current of democratic socialist politics in order to keep progress toward a decent society.

[Seeker7]

8. Conservatives sabotage our government

Conservatives sabotage our government and can't stop themselves even when it involves national security. It started over a century ago, when the Republicans first aligned themselves with corporate interests and against the wage earners and, therefore, the government the wage earners elected. It intensified 30 years ago when Reagan sold the story that "government is the problem, not the solution." Bush brought the program to new depths of active sabotage.

If "government is the problem, not the solution," then every time government works, it discredits the Conservatives! They can't let that happen. They have the easier job because it's easier to sabotage organizations than to make them work. There are incompetents and crooks in any large organization and even competent people make mistakes. Furthermore, no one does a good job when they don't believe in it, and Conservatives don't believe in government. That's why they can't stop themselves when it comes to national security. They can't suddenly start believing in government when it pleases them.

All they then need to do to completely discredit our government is misdirect a project here and garble a regulation there. Their most consistent and effective method is to place incompetent ideologues in official positions when they are in power ("Hell of a job, Brownie!")and in the permanent Civil Service for the times when they are not in power.

So how about we start calling them on it? Start telling the public that Republicans sabotage government because they can't help themselves. They advertise to the world that they don't believe in government, therefore, no one should ever trust them to do an honest job of governing.

P.S. If government is bad, wrong, and doesn't work anyway, why would the Republicans have any reluctance to ripping it off whenever they get the chance? Why should they care if Halliburton and Blackwater sabotage our war effort and even kill our servicemen and women? There's money to be made and government doesn't work anyway.