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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 08:55 AM
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June new jobs of 146 includes 184 of new pretend jobs - media says nothing
23066000 new jobs under Clinton with 273000 "pretend" jobs in that total, but 1053000 jobs under Bush include 2689000 pretend!

Yes, Clinton too had pretend jobs in his total – all of 273,000 new work at home not yet on the payroll tax jobs.

But the 273000 new pretend work at home not paying payroll taxes yet jobs were only 1.18% of the jobs growth under Clinton. Bush ‘s pretend new jobs of 2689000 EXCEEDS his TOTAL new jobs of 1053000 since Jan 2001 – Bush has lost 1,646,000 jobs since Jan 1, 2001 without that adjustment.

I repeat, Without the 2689000 pretend jobs at home not paying payroll tax yet jobs (“pretend” means the “BIRTH DEATH adjustment” that is never checked or bench-marked to anything other than a curve fitting of "expectations"), BUSH HAS LOST 1,646,000 JOBS SINCE JAN 1 2001.

So it looks like Bush is still negative as to job growth - and people wonder why the folks are discouraged and leaving the work force in such numbers that the unemployment rate goes down. And other folks wonder why our media says nothing other than repeating the Bush line that we are NOW -finally -in an economic expansion (which is true but only part of the story).

Seasonally Adjusted Total nonfarmIndustry: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
1992 108313 108242 108301 108457 108584 108640 108714 108851 108888 109061 109205 109418
1993 109725 109962 109916 110223 110496 110660 110960 111119 111359 111638 111901 112203
1994 112473 112665 113133 113490 113829 114139 114498 114801 115155 115361 115786 116056
1995 116377 116588 116808 116971 116962 117189 117260 117538 117777 117926 118070 118210
1996 118192 118627 118882 119047 119376 119647 119875 120078 120296 120534 120826 121003
1997 121232 121526 121843 122134 122396 122642 122918 122911 123417 123756 124063 124361
1998 124629 124814 124962 125240 125641 125846 125967 126322 126543 126735 127020 127364
1999 127477 127873 127997 128379 128593 128850 129145 129338 129525 129947 130242 130536
2000 130781 130901 131377 131662 131882 131839 132015 132004 132122 132110 132326 132484
2001 132454 132546 132511 132214 132187 132029 131941 131803 131549 131172 130879 130705
2002 130581 130478 130441 130335 130326 130377 130277 130295 130250 130309 130315 130161
2003 130247 130125 129907 129853 129827 129854 129857 129859 129953 130076 130172 130255
2004 130372 130466 130786 131123 131373 131479 131562 131750 131880 132162 132294 132449
2005 132573 132873 132995 133287 133391(p) 133537(p)
p : preliminary

2004 Net Birth/Death Adjustment (in thousands) Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec

Total
225 204 181 -80 123 44 55 9 66

http://www.bls.gov/ces/cesbdhst.htm

2005 Net Birth/Death Adjustment (in thousands) Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
Total -280 100 179 257 207 184

January 2004 – December 2004 Preliminary Estimates
Total -321 115 153 270 195 182 -91 120 39 42 54 78 836

April 2003 – December 2003 Post-Benchmark Estimates
Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec (Jan Feb Mar)
Total 128 192 164 -83 124 33 45 30 62 695

April 2002 – March 2003 Post-Benchmark Estimates
Total 45 176 156 -61 106 23 68 25 53 -391 119 151 470

April 2001 – March 2002 Post-Benchmark Estimates
Total 75 112 106 -13 53 10 -31 -23 3 -239 -4 42 91

April 2000 – March 2001 Post-Benchmark Estimates
Total 53 72 48 11 37 23 10 -5 -6 -133 31 52 193

April 1999 – March 2000 Post-Benchmark Estimates
Total 1 9 5 -6 9 4 4 6 9 -23 6 6 30


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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 08:58 AM
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1. Well, everything else
under bush is pretend, so why not the jobs too.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 09:08 AM
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2. Pretend Jobs, Pretend Economy, Pretend Faith, Pretend Compassion,...
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 09:24 AM by Double T
Pretend Security, Pretend Voting, Pretend Funding of Legislation, Pretend-Pretend-Pretend!!!! Doesn't it just make you mad as hell!!!!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 09:21 AM
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4. Yes - it does make me angry that our media allows this pretend.
sigh....

:-(
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:01 AM
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22. 17.2% is the true unemployment per Robert B. Reich from DOL stats
True June unemployment rate -- 11.7%
From http://www.njfac.org/index.html

(U.S. BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS)

Officially unemployed: 7.5 million (5.0%)

Hidden unemployment: 9.7 million

Total: 17.2 million (11.1% of the labor force)

Group made up of many distinguished scholars and former govt officials including Robert B. Reich (Former Secretary of labor.


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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:13 PM
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25. 25% if it's 1%
and you include one-quarter or less of previous wages (severe underemployment)
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 09:16 AM
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3. Yet tens of millions clamor "four more years, four more years" and tens
of millions are unconcerned, doing nothing.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 05:12 PM
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24. including millions who are among the unemployed
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:55 PM
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5. Pretend jobs
Great title, yes only in CNN's email eyeopener did I see "jobs data disappoints" and then their online article hints a little more
that job growth was less than expected.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/07/08/news/economy/jobs_june/index.htm

Papau, are you going to analyze the actual "jobs" again to see if we have more "McFacturing" jobs they are touting as good for America?

BTW: The the WTO has put up absolute fiction claiming outsourcing
and "insourcing by way of abusing US VISA system" doesn't hurt Americans.

This to me is a propaganda prelude so our immigration policy and offshore outsourcing is taken away from US congressional control and into WTO's GATS, mode 4. i.e. any attempts to control our immigration policy or workers policy could then be challenged as a "barrier to trade".

I'm so glad we stuck it out with our group name, noslaves.com. I got a lot of criticism, but clearly it's dead on by this latest news.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 02:56 PM
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21. June DOL: Less hours worked in US than in June 00 - population growth?

and all that employment "growth"?

Perhaps meaningless as to the US's economic health is the "great" 5% UE rate and all those pretend new jobs that are stay at home folks that year after year are just not getting around to paying a payroll tax (otherwise we would not have to add them back - them being all prior increases in the pretend birth/death number - each month to the payroll tax numbers - and of course without the growth in the pretend folks that year after year never pay that payroll tax, Bush does not have ANY job growth - and remove new gov jobs under Bush and the private sector is in a hell of a recession - but we will not talk about that).

Perhaps better as a measure of economic health is that old labor demand measure of total hours worked in the economy . While employment is "above" its pre-recession peak, total hours worked is still 1.4 percent below its pre-recession peak

http://www.bls.gov/ces/cesbtabs.htm
Series Id: CEU0500000040Not Seasonally AdjustedSuper Sector: Total privateIndustry: Total privateNAICS Code: N/AData Type: INDEXES OF AGGREGATE WEEKLY HOURS, 2002=100

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
1995 88.5 88.5 89.2 90.3 90.8 93.0 93.2 93.6 92.9 93.3 92.8 92.8 91.6
1996 87.7 90.1 91.1 91.7 93.4 96.1 95.1 96.3 96.0 95.4 95.6 96.5 93.8
1997 91.7 93.8 94.9 95.4 96.7 98.9 98.4 99.1 98.5 98.8 99.2 99.4 97.1
1998 95.3 96.8 97.1 97.3 99.5 100.9 100.8 102.3 99.7 100.8 101.3 101.4 99.4
1999 96.9 98.3 98.6 100.0 101.8 103.0 103.4 104.4 101.7 103.0 103.0 103.4 101.5
2000 100.7 100.4 101.3 103.5 103.2 105.0 105.9 105.4 104.4 105.1 104.1 104.0 103.6
2001 100.2 100.6 101.1 101.9 102.6 103.9 104.5 103.8 102.6 101.2 100.9 101.7 102.1
2002 96.9 97.9 98.4 99.2 100.2 102.7 100.9 101.7 101.2 100.2 99.9 100.7 100.0
2003 96.2 96.8 97.4 97.2 98.6 100.8 99.4 100.1 99.2 99.4 100.4 99.1 98.7
2004 95.8 97.5 97.5 98.6 101.2 101.3 102.0 103.0 100.8 101.9 101.5 102.1 100.3
2005 99.1 99.2 100.0 101.6 103.2(p) 104.0(p)
p : preliminary



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Series Id: CES0500000040Seasonally AdjustedSuper Sector: Total privateIndustry: Total privateNAICS Code: N/AData Type: INDEXES OF AGGREGATE WEEKLY HOURS, 2002=100

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
1995 91.2 91.1 91.3 91.2 90.9 91.4 91.5 91.7 92.0 92.1 92.2 92.1
1996 90.9 92.7 92.9 92.9 93.4 93.9 93.9 94.1 94.5 94.8 95.0 95.2
1997 95.1 96.0 96.2 96.8 96.8 96.6 97.2 97.4 97.9 97.8 98.3 98.6
1998 98.8 99.0 98.7 99.0 99.3 99.2 99.4 99.8 99.7 100.2 100.3 100.6
1999 100.4 100.8 100.5 101.1 101.3 101.5 101.7 101.9 102.0 102.4 102.7 102.9
2000 103.1 103.2 103.2 103.7 103.3 103.5 103.7 103.4 103.6 103.9 103.7 103.1
2001 103.7 103.1 103.3 102.7 102.6 102.4 102.3 101.8 101.2 100.6 100.5 100.4
2002 100.4 100.3 100.3 100.4 100.2 100.1 99.7 99.9 99.9 99.6 99.5 99.3
2003 99.3 98.9 98.9 98.3 98.2 98.3 98.3 98.3 98.4 98.8 99.1 98.6
2004 99.3 99.4 99.3 99.7 100.3 99.9 100.3 100.5 100.9 101.2 101.1 101.2
2005 101.5 101.8 101.9 102.5 102.3(p) 102.5(p)
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jwcomer Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 03:56 PM
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6. I only follow labor participation rates.
Labor force participation rates tell a radically different story about the current employment situation. While it is true that America's demographics have shifted so that there are more retirees as a percent of the population, this represents only a fraction of the large gap in the labor force participation rate which has opened up over the last five years. Overall participation levels have declined each of the last five years and are now at their lowest levels since the reagen era. Men's participations rates are at their lowest levels in history. But truthfully it is teenagers who have taken the brunt of the job shortages. Their participation rate has dropped from the low 50's to low 40's in in only a few short years (the lowest level in 40 years for teenagers.) For every 4 teenagers employed 5 years ago, today their are only 3. The participation rate drop may have stabilized over the last 6 months but it is really too soon to tell.
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stevebreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 05:55 PM
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7. Just another in along lied of half truths & lies
It pays to read deep into anything the Bush maladministration puts out. The U-6 figure is up 0.1% from last month. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t12.htm
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 03:43 AM
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8. After 5 Years Of Searching And Over Three Thousand Sent Resumes
Edited on Sun Jul-10-05 03:44 AM by mhr
I finally found a suitable replacement job.

Though anecdotal, my story is reflective of thousands of other professionals devastated by bushonomics.

Thanks for culling the data Papau
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 05:33 PM
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9. as a long time DU companion, may I just say
:woohoo:

:applause:
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-05 08:52 PM
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10. Thanks cosmicdot
eom
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 03:22 AM
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11. congrats
I was expected to read your usual, no job, royally screwed.

This is good news..

(although being an activist isn't going away I hope).
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:31 PM
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15. Persistence Is Futile - Scratch That - Persistence Pays In The End
Maybe sometimes that is.

Anyway, thanks for the kind words.

It is good to be working again.

Take care!
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:24 PM
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13. Great news MHR!!! Congratulations to you...n/t
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:32 PM
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16. Thanks - It Is Good To Be Back In The Game.
eom
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:34 PM
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14. Hurrah mhr!
:thumbsup:

Glad to know that you are okay and working (again)!

:applause:
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 02:35 PM
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17. Definitely Okay - It's Good To be Among Friends Again
And out of Texas.

Though I grew up there, I hardly recognize the place anymore.

At least one can go to a bar in my new hometown and not fear being beaten for criticizing the Bushman.

A definite improvement.
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 07:06 PM
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18. This is SUCH good news, mhr...
Congratulations!!!!! :bounce:
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 08:34 PM
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19. Hi Sadiesworld - Thanks For The Positive Thoughts!
eom
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 02:53 PM
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20. GOD BLESS - that is great to hear!
:-)
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:00 PM
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23. Hi Papau - Thanks - I Am Glad To Be Working Again
eom
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 12:19 PM
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12. What if we sent "pretend" checks to pay our bills?
Oh yeah, this is from my "pretend" job that I get a "pretend" paycheck from...
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:21 AM
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26. Where are the jobs?
There are none!
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