Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

OOPS! World's largest bond fund delays dividend payments!

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Economy Donate to DU
 
Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 01:02 PM
Original message
OOPS! World's largest bond fund delays dividend payments!

By Adam L. Cataldo

Dec. 31 (Bloomberg) -- The Pacific Investment Management Co., which runs the world’s largest bond fund, said it is postponing two dividend payments to investors in a pair of closed-end municipal bond funds.

Proceeds from the Pimco Municipal Income Fund and the Pimco New York Municipal Income Fund II were due today and on Feb. 2, Newport Beach, California-based Pimco said in a statement.

“The funds intend to resume paying and declaring dividends as soon as possible,” the company said. Pimco said continuing problems in the capital market caused the values of the funds’ portfolios to decline and led to the decision.

Auction-rate preferred shares, with which the funds borrowed money to boost returns, must be backed by underlying assets worth at least 200 percent, the company said. When that threshold was missed, dividends couldn’t be paid.

Continued>>>
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ak7nLbjfY0lE&refer=home
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 01:40 PM
Response to Original message
1. Yikes. PIMCO is practically a synonym for the word "bonds"...

... in some financial circles. :yoiks:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. they just cut a deal
with the FED to become one of 4 primary dealers authorized to buy 500 billion dollars in MBS from fannie,freddy and ginnie for and on behalf of the FED.. NICE ( for them ) our tax dollars managed by private firms! ALL SPENDING BILLS MUST ORIGINATE IN THE HOUSE ( or so i thought ) ( constitution?? whats that!!! )
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 05:16 PM
Response to Original message
3. Your headline is misleading...
Edited on Wed Dec-31-08 05:40 PM by A HERETIC I AM
To say "World's largest bond fund delays dividend payments" is not accurate.

The worlds largest Bond Fund did NOT suspend dividend payments.

Two Closed End Funds managed by PIMCO have had two dividend payments suspended. The article you linked to mentions that the two funds are the Pimco Municipal Income Fund and the Pimco New York Municipal Income Fund II, neither of which are Open End Mutual Funds and neither of which rank as the "worlds largest" in their category.

It is more accurate to say "PIMCO suspends dividend payments in two Closed End Muni Bond funds."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. OKAY PIMCO did it!!!!!!!!!
Satisfied?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 01:35 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. The subject line in your OP reads;
World's largest bond fund delays dividend payments!


Now...is that accurate or not?

The answer is obviously no if you had carefully read the article you linked to.

But I understand. Sensationalism trumps accuracy every single time on DU when it comes to this sort of thing.

So yeah, I'm satisfied. If you were to lucidly explain why they did what they did, what led up to it and why it isn't that big of a deal, I'd be overwhelmed.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 03:11 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. Why don't you explain..
... why it ISN'T a big deal, because I believe the headline is substantially accurate and it IS.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. You think it's substantially accurate? Really?
Did you read the article linked in the OP?

What part of the following sentence leads you to that conclusion?
Pacific Investment Management Co., which runs the world’s largest bond fund, said it is postponing two dividend payments to investors in a pair of closed-end municipal bond funds.


It's no wonder so many on this board repeatedly say they don't understand these sorts of things. It's also clear that reading comprehension seems to be non-existent at times with those who might claim they DO understand them.

Grossly inaccurate information or mis-characterizations of the facts are regularly accepted as truth. This all too common occurrence on DU does NOTHING to further the understanding of those unfamiliar with how these instruments operate, how they are formed and their mechanics.

It isn't that big of a deal because none of the underlying instruments (the Municipal Bonds and Auction Rate Securities) held in either fund have defaulted. Full stop.


Investopedia is your friend.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. And these defaults..
.. are insignificant. Yeah, right.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. What defaults?
They are postponing payments because the value of some of the bonds held in the funds have dropped causing the asset coverage ratio to fall below a threshold level and therefore they are required to suspend or delay the payment of already declared dividends and suspend the declaration of further dividends until the issue is resolved.

THIS IS NOT A DEFAULT. There is a HUGE difference between a default and what is going on with the two funds mentioned in the article.

The article does not mention, nor does the press release on the Allianz website indicate that any of the bonds they hold have defaulted.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. I took the headline right out of the first paragraph.
As you correctly noted. The headline they used was to boring.
This isn't Breaking News.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec 26th 2024, 06:48 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Economy Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC