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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 03:33 PM
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The other shoe is dropping
My small credit union just cancelled EVERY credit card and line of credit for All members.

Eastern Financial Florida Credit Union out of Miami.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 03:35 PM
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1. I would pull all your money out ASAP
Thats a warning that they are in a liquidity crisis.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 03:43 PM
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2. I have very little in there. We only use this account for day to day expenses.
It's the credit card I am going to miss. No Annuals and 6.7%.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 05:04 PM
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3. Credit unions are insured the same as banks...
...currently up to $250,000.

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oldnslo Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 05:19 PM
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4. Which begs the question-WTF pull out the money and why no CC?
It would appear that for some reason, they have severed or been severed from their credit card provider. My credit union does not have their own credit card, but subscribes to or is affiliated with a clearing house of visa accounts. Also, there's the FDIC thing. I guess I just don't know enough about this stuff. In any case, I would be real tempted to distance myself from them. It looks like something is going on there. Maybe it's just Florida.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-09 07:14 AM
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10. Credit unions are insured and regulated separately
Regular banks have been fighting that for years, but credit unions have been able to mobkilize their depositors in order to stop it.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 11:05 PM
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9. Dealing with FDIC insurance is not fun.
If you suspect a bank/CU is junk move your money.

Saying FDIC will fix it is like letting your house burn down just because you have Home Owners Insurance.
Trust me I had to deal with FDIC. It took about 90 days before I got a nickle. If I didn't have the credit to get new credit card with 0% rate to wait for FDIC to pay me it would have been worse.

Not saying FDIC is bad. Is out of the blue your bank goes belly up it is nice to have BUT if you suspect something is wrong go to another better capitalized bank.
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 05:21 AM
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11. Yeah, OK. Now how long will it take the FDIC to give you your money, hmmm?
Edited on Sun Jan-04-09 05:23 AM by utopiansecretagent
I think most here would be surprised to hear that answer.

Clue:

It's not right away.

Another clue:

The FDIC might not have enough money if banks keep going down in droves like they are.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 05:35 PM
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5. WHICH other shoe? The one with the news that EFFCU ranks as the WORST CU in Florida?
Edited on Wed Dec-31-08 05:36 PM by A HERETIC I AM
http://www.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2008/12/15/daily47.html

This isn't another shoe dropping. This is a poorly run Credit Union.

BTW. according to that article, EFFCU isn't "small" by any means. It's the largest in South Florida. It just has a crappy rating and it's been losing money hand over fist.

Edited for spelling and sentence structure
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 05:58 PM
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6. bankrate.com has them with ONE star
that is a poor rating - as low as a place can go.

I had an acct. at dollarsavingsdirect.com and they are at one star now too. I got my money out of that place quickly.

Good idea to keep your eye on banks/thrifts & credit unions.

Check here: Eastern Financial Florida Credit Union

Free memorandum and financial statement

EASTERN FINANCIAL FLORIDA
MIRAMAR, Florida
Bankrate.com Star Rating: one star

Review a report or financial summary on your bank:

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/safesound/rating.asp

Good idea to keep your eye on banks/thrifts & credit unions.

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/safesound/ss_home.asp

This was out for all to see. Nothing new here - the place has been in bad shape for some time it seems.

:dem:
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 05:33 AM
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12. ^The Eternal Optimist. ^
Edited on Sun Jan-04-09 05:38 AM by utopiansecretagent
Or some other "agenda"....

According to you this last year, everything's coming up roses, keep your money in the markets, etc.

I bet you struggled right away to Google that credit union up to find that VERY RECENT (and scarce) article in order to reassure DU'rs that this is just an isolated incident and it was common knowledge to EVERYONE (you know, lotsa banks become insolvent all the time and all).

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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 06:36 AM
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15. ^The Worlds Foremost Economist^
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=114&topic_id=31179

Well, you were right a year ago.

So how's that $1650 dollar gold working out for you?

I noticed you never did a follow up post instructing people to sell when it got to $1000. Why is that? Maybe you have "some other agenda". Any remorse at all for suggesting people put money into precious metals? Since, you know...they have been such a HUGE winner over the last 12 months. If you are so sure of yourself, why didn't you suggest people buy long Treasuries? The 30 year has made great returns.

Oh, I know....

DISCLAIMER: I am not a professional financial advisor.


Just thought I'd point that out.

BTW, It was no struggle at all.
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 08:39 AM
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16. "So how's that $1650 dollar gold working out for you? "
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 08:55 AM by utopiansecretagent
Oh, it's coming.

Insofar as my recommendations to buy physical gold, what other investment - or "cash park", rather (as you're such a stickler for economic "terms") - has held up to gold's standing thusfar?

Answer:

None.

Gold has retained it's value (conversely to Bucky), albeit the small pullback this last summer. Can't say the same for any other "investment" - even Treasury Bills are going negative (interest), so that folks who park their cash there are actually PAYING to park it.

And that's not even mentioning the dislocation in price between paper GLD and physical bullion - if you can even find any physical to buy. Have you checked prices for physical bullion lately?

Thought not.

I won't advise anyone to sell at $1000 'cause it's going higher. As soon as Obama starts his "stimuli", the printing presses will be fired up and dollar toasted. No way around it.

Deflation first, inflation next.

But you just go ahead looking through your rose-colored lenses.





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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 07:30 PM
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18. The perfect response.
"Oh, it's coming."

Yup. Sure it is. It's the perfect response because sooner or later, you're likely to be right. It might be twenty years, but sooner or later.... "it's coming"

Insofar as my recommendations to buy physical gold,
See Skippy, right there is a primary difference between you and me. Even though you admit you don't have the credentials to do so, you feel it's quite fine to make specific investment recommendations to perfect strangers on a public message board. I don't.

what other investment - or "cash park", rather (as you're such a stickler for economic "terms")
Ummm...Who exactly uses the term "cash park" as part of financial industry vernacular? No one I've ever talked with. It isn't an economic term. It's a description of an automobile storage facility. But since accuracy in terminology is something you are comfortable ignoring and happy to belittle me for encouraging, knock yourself out.

has held up to gold's standing thusfar? Answer: None.
Wrong. The 30 year Treasury has beaten the shit out of gold since December 7, 2007, the day you posted your "This is not a drill" thread. If you had bought a 4.5% coupon, 30 year Treasury Bond at market on or about the day you made that declaration, you would have paid slightly less than par for it AND been paid $45.00 in coupon payments to own it for the last 12 months and it would sell for better than $1,250 today (That's about a 30% return, higher if you had reinvested the interest payments. Gold has done just under 8% from 12/7/07 to today). You were right about the market, I'll give you that. But so far you've been COMPLETELY wrong about gold soaring above $1000. By the way, with maybe two exceptions, EVERY SINGLE ONE of the securities you suggested "for consideration" in this post have fucking tanked, including First Gold Corp., that micro-cap you said would "ROCK THIS SPRING!" If by "rock" you meant "Go from the $.90 per share it is now, down and down until May when it will have a short lived rally from fifty cents to eighty cents then continue to plummet to twenty cents" then yes, it rocked. Nice call. Recommending a speculative micro-cap at its peak. Couldn't have done it better myself. Thing is, I've never recommended purchasing a specific security to anyone on this board. Ever.

Treasury Bills are going negative (interest), so that folks who park their cash there are actually PAYING to park it.
You don't watch the Treasury Bond market too closely, do you? Ninety Day Treasury paper has had a negative yield precisely TWICE in the last few months, both occasions lasted a day or less. The only people who received a negative yield were those AND ONLY THOSE that bought 90 day bills on those two days. The current yield on 90 day paper is ridiculously low, no argument, but that is because the demand for the paper as a safe storage is high and the price has been bid to virtually par.

And that's not even mentioning the dislocation in price between paper GLD and physical bullion - if you can even find any physical to buy. Have you checked prices for physical bullion lately? Thought not.
I look at the Bloomberg website every morning and check their commodities page. So no, I haven't checked lately. It was about 2:00 PM the last I looked. Ahhhhh...ya got me. Good one. Before you decide to respond with a remark that the gold price on Bloomberg isn't the price of physical bullion, let me say "besides you, who gives a fuck?"

I won't advise anyone to sell at $1000 'cause it's going higher. As soon as Obama starts his "stimuli", the printing presses will be fired up and dollar toasted. No way around it.
Maybe. We'll see. But if you are convinced you are right then one would expect a market maven like yourself to be laughing all the way to the bank, yes? After all, if you can so accurately predict the future, you should have your portfolio all set up, right? I'm happy for you. Truly.

Deflation first, inflation next.
On this we agree. But how severe on both fronts is anybody's guess.

But you just go ahead looking through your rose-colored lenses.
Thanks for the kind words. For the record, they're Ray-Ban G15 green. Aviator frames. Held their value at least as good as gold.


It amuses me that you decided to respond to my post in this thread, albeit 4 days later. You claim I must have some sort of agenda merely because I took issue with the OP's characterization of a single, troubled Credit Union in South Florida suspending credit to its depositors as evidence "The other shoe is dropping". It struck me as a curious and dubious claim so I took the time to learn a little about the Credit Union, read a couple articles that were among the top results on a Google search and saw that the OP was employing rather dramatic hyperbole. Why you took this as me wanting to "reassure DU'rs that this is just an isolated incident and it was common knowledge to EVERYONE" is probably due to you having some curious inclination to try and make me look somehow nefarious. You have repeatedly used the expression "Do your own due diligence", a statement I whole heartedly agree with. Does this not apply to people using Credit Unions and Banks?

Lighten up there, Slick. Go and pull the shoebox out from under your bed, dust off and admire your ingots and then go for a walk.

In spite of the fact that they have yet to invent the device that can measure how little I give a shit what you think of me, you have my best wishes for a profitable 2009. May all your trades be net gains.
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 10:01 AM
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21. The dollar is going to CRASH.
Treasuries will be worth whatever the dollar is, which going to be toilet paper. Let's not mention what happens when China etc dumps US T-Bills for any myriad of reasons, including, but not limited to, a Bucky collapse.

Miners (and their metals) might possibly be the only thing surviving well when everything else is obliterated. Sure they followed the rest of the market down, as deleveraging occurred (financial institutions raising cash - selling metals, too - to pay debt), but as long as gold holds and/or rises, the miners will follow shortly after. They're already bouncing back. Wars? Political unrest? Already happening with much more to follow. Bad for the world, of course, but makes gold even more of a safe-haven.

And apparently you gave enough of a "shit" to look up my post history, and make a rather lengthy response.

Have a nice day, Glitter Glasses.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 08:56 PM
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19. You noticed that too..
.... some of these pump monkeys just never figure it out.
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 10:20 AM
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22. Yup. He was pumping all last winter and spring
Edited on Tue Jan-06-09 10:21 AM by utopiansecretagent
and vehemently chastising anyone who asked or gave financial alternative "opinions" to staying in the general market.

"Consult your financial advisor" was/is his bottom line. Financial advisers were/are telling folks everything would be fine. They were/are part of the problem, not the solution. When I pulled all my money out last December, my broker wanted to actually argue with me about it, until I finally had to tell him, "You work for me and you do what I say". I put part in physical precious metals, part in cash, and the rest I used in options to short the market (mostly financial institutions) all the way down, and actually MADE decent money. Now I am short Treasuries. They're the next "bubble".

I gave "opinions" about where to put money, with the bottom line that everyone should be their OWN financial advisers, after doing their own homework.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 08:56 PM
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23. Good for you....
... I've also made a few bucks using UltraShort ETFs, pretty easy in this environment. Am set to make some more as soon as this bogus rally ends, and it WILL END :)
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TwixVoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-08 11:32 PM
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7. Please get your facts right before posting
Just went to the web site

"GREAT NEWS!

We are happy to now offer 84 month financing on vehicles with a retail value of at least $30K."

Yea, sounds like they are shutting down lending alright. :eyes:

Just because they shut you down you can't assume they shut EVERYONE down.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-09 11:07 AM
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8. My facts are right. I went to the bank and talked to a good friend there.
Her credit card and line of credit were frozen along with EVERYONE ELSE.

My credit rating is over 700.

Try applying for that financing and see what answer you get.
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whitewinged1 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 05:58 AM
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14. Facts? BAD NEWS !
Complete financial and economic collapse in the US within one year
These are the facts!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n3g5lUgkWk

I suggest you watch this...click the link...come on you can do it
whether or not you can handle what you see and hear is another thing
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whitewinged1 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-09 05:50 AM
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13. Total and complete economic collapse US borrows 3 billion per day
It would probably be a wise idea if you were to click on this link. The video is pretty much self explanatory
The American dollar is going to crash and crash hard. Not a matter of if but when. Congress closed it's doors to the media and public for the fourth time in 176 years. Why you ask? Simple really. Because of the sensitive nature of the days topic. The imminent complete and total collapse of the American economy and dollar and the implementation of martial law to control what promises to be a very angry and outraged public, who find that they no longer have savings that they have worked so long and hard for

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n3g5lUgkWk

copy and paste in your browser

People have been warned but nobody wants to listen or believe
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-09 09:05 AM
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17. Jeez! Thanks for posting that. nt
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whitewinged1 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 03:04 AM
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20. Total economiccolapse of the American economy
You say geese thanks for posting that like you wished that i had not.Would you rather not have fair warning of the impending crisis ?
People just refuse to believe that such a horrific thing could be possible in the most powerful country on earth. For this you can thank the FED (Federal Reserve Bank ) They are the ones responsible for this. It's one step closer to their goal of a one world government .You bring the strongest to their knees first and the rest are sure to be a easy task. Do your self a favor before it's too late and search these key words on YouTube

N.W.O
FEMA camps
FEMA coffins
Martial law
North American Union
Amero

I would suggest you take me seriously for your own wellbeing and future security Time is very short
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