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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 03:08 PM
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The man who bankrupted America
Edited on Fri Jan-16-09 03:32 PM by GliderGuider
The man who bankrupted America

If Bank of America gets a $120 billion government guarantee against their toxic asset losses, on top of Citi’s almost $300 billion guarantee last year, it is becoming increasingly evident that losses will be far bigger than that. Why else would such provisions be provided? There's only one answer: because these losses are real, and they are so today, not some time tomorrow. Which in turn indicates that when tomorrow comes, more guarantees will be needed. There is no way that Bank of America has only $120 billion in potential or even already incurred losses on and off its sheets.

All of which points to a development that is devastating for the American public . While nobody requires to see how big the losses are, or even demands to see the paper they come from, there is a silent move towards transferring the colossal losses to the public purse from the corporate one. The new approach, which gains popularity fast, is called a 'bad bank' or an 'aggregator bank'. Once it’s established, in one form or another, we won't find out about Wall Street’s losses until the next bail-out. And that will be just another incomplete number as well.

This process, if it occurs at all, which is a very bad idea to start with, should at least play out in absolutely transparent circumstances. The reason that doesn't happen is clear: if people knew what was going on, what sort of debts are being unloaded upon them, none of it would not be accepted. And apparently, this is not the end; n fact we haven't seen anything yet. Bloomberg reports: "President-elect Barack Obama’s advisers see an increasingly grave banking crisis and are considering proposals far more sweeping than any steps that have been taken so far". Yeah, just check your wallet. This one too is on you.

Not surprisingly, we still live in a one-dimensional world. None of the $8+ trillion so far thrown at the US economy has helped that economy one bit. It has merely helped to -temporarily- hide losses at institutions , and to allow the richest part of the nation to get out without much damage. For the (wo)man in the street, things have only gotten worse, and a lot, even if (s)he doesn't yet realize that. But once the rich have covered their positions, there'll be no more reason to hide anything. Tellingly, US mortgage rates are at historical lows, but sales are still going down. There's more than one part of the country where foreclosure sales make up the majority of the total housing market.

What is being presented as daring efforts to save the economy and get people working and spending again, will in reality turn out to be biggest ever drama for the American people, and the most daring crime against them in the history of the nation. As for "get people working", it is becoming clear that unemployment will rise to levels no-one dared mention until recently, apart from a few such as me. To wit: Circuit City just announced the loss of another 30.000 jobs. As for the spending, people will have much less to spend in the years that lie ahead than they have in generations.

Barack Obama has only one answer to the trillions in public funds wasted in the past year and a half: he pushes Double or Nothing. America has become a country that has in its entirety adopted the philosophy and lifestyle that have established its darkest (that’s why they need the bright lights) and seediest corners: Las Vegas and Atlantic City. For all the talk of redemption and salvation, there is only one real religion that governs the US: the dual deity of money and gambling. As many who've walked the shadier alleys in Vegas can tell you, that is the sort of belief system that you can rely on to deliver you into bankruptcy. It’s one religion that holds the promise of a certain outcome. And it's all America has left.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 09:03 AM
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1. Double or Nothing

Sometimes gamblers do win.


I just think there are many things already too far out-of-control that have bankrupted America, that no matter what Obama and his administration try to do, it is not going to pull us out.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 09:54 AM
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2. My personal prediction is
Edited on Sat Jan-17-09 09:57 AM by GliderGuider
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.... callchet .... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 11:21 AM
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3. Bank accounts
Is there enough money in the bank accounts of the rich and famous of USA, Asia ans Europe to pay for the recovery, abolish all debt and start over. The workers have been beat into a fair amount of submission and degraded enough to work for food. The state of the workers is my opinion, I'm sure there are those that don't think they are quite ready yet to work for free.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 11:25 AM
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5. You don't need to settle the accounts to abolish all debt.
Simply declare a global Jubilee. Push the big red reset button.
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.... callchet .... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 11:27 AM
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7. My idea is abolish all debt
is that what you are saying also.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 11:42 AM
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10. One meaning of "Jubilee" is the abolishment of debts
From our friends at Wikipedia:

Jubilee(Biblical)

These Babylonian kings occasionally issued decrees for the cancellation of debts and/or the return of the people to the lands they had sold. Such "clean slate" decrees were intended to redress the tendency of debtors, in ancient societies, to become hopelessly in debt to their creditors, thus accumulating most of the arable land into the control of a wealthy few. The decrees were issued sporadically. Economist Michael Hudson has maintained that the Biblical legislation of the Jubilee and Sabbatical years addressed the same problems encountered by these Babylonian kings, but the Biblical formulation of the laws presented a significant advance in justice and the rights of the people. This was due to the "clean slates" now being codified into law, rather than relying on the whim of the king.
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.... callchet .... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 11:55 AM
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11. Declare international bankruptcy
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.... callchet .... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 11:24 AM
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4. The deadly clean air.
Clean air and environmental laws are going to have to be sacrificed to save the world in the short term.
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.... callchet .... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 11:25 AM
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6. If not
then our workers will be forced into 4th world status while the rest of he world starts to recover, whenever .
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.... callchet .... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 11:29 AM
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8. Bottom line.
If you had money to lend, then you had more money than you needed. Abolish all debt.
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.... callchet .... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 11:34 AM
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9. Or wait until Wednesday and everything will be fine.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 11:56 AM
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12. Gambling is not all we have left. We know where the money is.
We just need to courage to go get it. There's very little wrong with this economy that a punitive tax on the wealthy won't fix.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 12:12 PM
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14. Hear, hear. nt
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 12:06 PM
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13. As I have posted before I lost my home because of lose of jobs and no health care
My question is - "Why should the bank get the money back from what I owed on my home and still get to resell my home and I am going to have to pay the taxes on the amount that is left over from the sale on the original amount I borrowed?"

It makes absolutely NO sense to me! CitiBank owned my mortgage and they wouldn't even talk to us. And yes we are filing bankruptcy. They gave us no choice! And we are paying for it by the way. NO bailout of us!

Sick! Just sick!

:argh:
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 02:26 PM
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15. It is sick. Explaining it just makes US sicker.
No, they don't want to talk with you.

From what I gather, they're insured to the bubble price of your house. If they re-negotiate with you, then the new price might affect their insurance value.

In any case, they can write off the bubble loss and charge it to the taxpayers by not paying taxes on money they baked offshore that they can now bring into the country using the losses to not pay taxes.

It's an insidious mess, and this is just part of it.

They're running all over US. We're only as strong as our being united, and we're not very united.

I wholeheartedly wish you well. You're certainly not alone. And, you ain't seen noth'n yet.

Hold on.
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