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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 09:33 PM
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Thailand May Urge Banks to Lend Money to GM, Foreign Automakers
Feb. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Thai Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said his government may help foreign automakers including General Motors Corp. by nudging commercial banks that are reluctant to lend as a global recession deepens.

“What might be helpful is some kind of credit facilities which would be done through a commercial bank system,” Abhisit said in an interview late yesterday in Jakarta, where he is on a two-day visit. “The government is not in a position to provide” cheap loans, he said.

GM is seeking as much as $16.6 billion in new loans from the U.S. and another $6 billion from Canada, Germany, the U.K., Sweden and Thailand to sustain operations. Earlier this month Thailand recapitalized a state agency that shares credit risk with commercial banks in an effort to spur 100 billion baht ($2.8 billion) in lending to small businesses.

GM’s Thailand unit needs the money to move forward with a 15-billion-baht diesel-engine plant announced last year. The plant and another pickup truck line are “no longer feasible” without government help and are “suspended indefinitely,” the company said on Feb. 18.

“The reason we’ve worked with the government is that commercial banks on their own are pretty cautious these days,” Steve Carlisle, the company’s head of Southeast Asia operations, said in a telephone interview yesterday. “We all need to get together and make a good assessment of what the future holds and what’s the right thing to do in supporting industry.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=aJ1R0hNgFqyo&refer=asia
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 09:46 PM
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1. So GM can complete building a plant in Thailand? There's an incentive. nt
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:31 PM
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2. GM is reconsidering expansion in India...
Maybe they'll hit up India for some 'bail-out' money.

Reconsidering India expansion
19 Feb 2009, 0021 hrs IST, TNN

NEW DELHI: As it sought fresh multi-billion dollar aid from the US government, struggling US carmaker
GM said it may reconsider expansion plans
in India. ‘Reconsideration' is regarded by auto industry analysts as virtually an announcement to halt the company's expansion plans for now.
GM has been expanding in India and recently started production at its second plant at Talegaon in Maharashtra, the first one being at Halol in Gujarat. The company also announced an additional $210 million investment for a powertrain facility (engine, gearbox and transmission) at Talegaon.

A senior company official said the Indian subsidiary was self sufficient and had been in profits since 2004, thus being insulated from the troubles its parent faced.


GM has plans to launch two new cars in India this year, that includes an all-new mini car and a premium sedan `Cruze'.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Business/India-Business/Reconsidering-India-expansion/rssarticleshow/4152028.cms



GM reports 9% higher sales in India
21 Jan 2009, 2333 hrs IST, PTI
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News-By-Industry/Auto/Automobiles/GM-reports-9-higher-sales-in-India/rssarticleshow/4013660.cms
Even though, the battered car maker witnessed a 11 per cent decline in total sales last year, the company has reported a higher growth in emerging markets of Brazil, Russia, India and China.

"We saw sales volume increases in the key four emerging markets of Brazil (up 10 percent), Russia (up 30 percent), India (up 9 percent), and China (up 6 percent)," GM said in a statement today
.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:27 AM
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3. So tell me why we should spend brazillions bailing them out? nt
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:34 AM
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4. because if we don't bail them out...
they'll bail out of the U.S. and take all their jobs with them? I think they're holding the government hostage, along with the banks. Sort of like the mutual destruction deterrent of nuclear weapons. But that's probably me being silly.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:37 AM
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5. Did you read the OP? That's already in the works, it seems.
Thailand is considering doing the bailing for a car firm, so they can complete their new plant.

Again, why should we bail them out?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 12:48 AM
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6. I like this explanation...
and oldie but goodie...
http://www.colorado.edu/AmStudies/lewis/2010/decline.htm
In the 1970s and 1980s, many of the industrial giants in the United States, Europe, and Japan became global companies; they no longer wanted to claim allegiance to any country in the world. By becoming global companies they could force nations to compete with each other to attract their companies to build factories in their countries. By the 1980s, these global companies, now often called Transnational corporations (TNCs) were aggressively using this strategy of globalization to blackmail countries into reducing their costs and increasing their profits. I believe that President Reagan's economic program, which Phillips and others have called Reaganomics, reflect the increasing reality of the global industrial economy and the power of TNCs to blackmail even the biggest and strongest countries and force them to create economic, political, and social conditions that will reduce their companies' costs and increase their profits. Let's now look at some of the major demands these TNCs imposed on industrial countries in the 1980s and 1990s:

Demands Made by Transnational Corporations to do Business in a
Country under the Global Economy

1. Greatly reduce Corporate taxes and taxes on the rich.

2. Greatly reduce government spending in order to cut taxes.

3. Increase taxes on the middle-class and poor to pay for the necessary government services, such as support for TNCs.

4. Reduce environmental, work-safety, and product-safety regulations.

5. Provide millions and millions of dollars in tax incentives and subsidies to TNCs in order to convince them to locate in your country.

6. Build and support modern industrial factories for TNCs to use rent-free.

7. Create tax-free export processing zones so that TNCs can produce products without paying any taxes at all.

8. Reduce and lower worker's wages by keeping the minimum wage low or eliminating the minimum wage altogether.

9. Reduce the costs of hiring workers by reducing or eliminating workers' compensation taxes, social security taxes,and health insurance taxes.

10. Allow child-labor at almost any age and under any conditions.

11. Do not enforce maximum work-day hours, such as the eight hour day or the 40 hour week.

12. Use government power to crush and weaken labor unions. Allow companies to hire security firms to harass and intimidate workers and unions.

13. Allow TNCs to freely take their money and profits out of your country.

14. Reduce government support for health-care, education, and anti-poverty and anti-hunger programs, forcing workers to work for any wage just to take care of and feed their families.

15. Support global free trade and work to prevent countries from denying companies the right to sell their products despite the brutal conditions, environmental destruction, and exploitation of their workers.

16. Don't restrict or limit immigration and encourage high levels of unemployment in order to force workers to compete by working for lower and lower wages.

17. Limit and restrict local and national government control over their economies. Encourage global bodies to set economic standards that will benefit TNCs.

18. Limit the ability of workers and citizens to challenge the TNCs and their own government's economic programs which help the TNCs at their expense.

19. Create massive national debts in order to bankrupt governments and force them to be even more at the mercy of the TNCs. Governments can thus say they have no choice but to accept these conditions.

20. Force your citizens to accept lower standards of living and quality of life in order to guarantee higher profits for TNCs.
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AdHocSolver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:13 AM
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7. We do NOT save American jobs by propping up badly run American-based corporations.
That is a myth that the corporations want you to believe.

Most large American corporations no longer manufacture anything in the United States. These corporations build or subsidize the building of factories in Mexico and Asia and import what they sell here in the U.S.

This is the MAIN reason why the U.S. economy is collapsing. Almost everything we purchase and use comes from abroad meaning that there is a severe outflow of capital abroad. What these corporations don't tell you is that much of what you pay winds up in the pockets of these corporations through corporate subsidiaries set up offshore to avoid paying taxes.

Bailing out these corporations is a losing proposition. The bailout money given to the banks was used to fund acquisition of other companies and give huge bonuses to their executives for successfully scamming the U.S. taxpayers. G.M. wants bailout money, not to save American jobs, but to build a new auto factory in Brazil. Why should G.M. build cars in a country where the economy is collapsing and few people will be able to afford buying a new car?

The solution is to rewrite the trade agreements and tax laws to promote those auto companies, based in any country, who will build cars in the U.S. using American labor. In fact, this incentive should be given to electronics manufacturers, appliance manufacturers, clothing manufacturers, toy manufacturers, and any company that wants to employ American workers.

Bringing jobs back to America will help our economy survive and will help reduce government deficits as working Americans pay income taxes. This is not your father's General Motors. It is not worth saving.

In addition, reimplement the Glass-Steagall Act, unmerge some of these financial monopolies, and break up the media conglomerates. This country was a lot better off when the corporations were being regulated to ensure responsible behavior. The corporations have shown that they will lie, cheat, and steal if given the chance, so we have to remove that opportunity from them. In short, we have to take our country back.
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The Brethren Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:25 PM
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8. You nailed it!
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The Brethren Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:36 PM
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9. GM is a piece of work.
I read in the past week that both GM and Chrysler want our government to shell over $22 billion dollars to help them out. I don't know whether our government has since given them what they want, but someone should have the sense to tell them to stick it.

And when GM was accused of expecting to put part of their government handouts into their Brazil plants, they denied it and insisted they are only trying to help out their USA branches. Ya, and I still believe in Santa Claus. Why on earth is our government helping any American company that also has plants in foreign countries? You know they're shifting that money around overseas. And if they actually did only use any USA bailout money for their American branches, that means they now save on costs abroad regarding their overall expenses.

When need to put America first financially.




Know what you're paying for. The Stimulus Plan ("American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009"): Orig. House version -- http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/RecoveryBill01-15-09.pdf , House spreadsheet -- http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pV-c6t5fOVmNorqMpHvnCMw ; Senate version -- http://appropriations.senate.gov/News/2009_02_02_The_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009.pdf ; and Senate compromise -- http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1 , Text and $$$ details of Senate compromise -- http://appropriations.senate.gov/News/2009_02_08_UPDATED_Appropriations_Provisions_of_American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act.pdf?CFID=4043629&CFTOKEN=40573040 . In addition to -- http://readthestimulus.org/amdth1.pdf , along with -- http://www.readthestimulus.org/ . Final version, Feb. 13th, 1500 pgs. worth -- http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/arra_public_review/ , more details on the final version -- http://www.taxpayer.net/resources.php?category=&type=Project&proj_id=1913&action=Headlines%20By%20TCS , including spending -- http://cbs4denver.com/national/Web.government.accountability.2.937188.html
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