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n32571 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:44 PM
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GE moving X-ray business to China
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2011/07/26/ge_moving_x_ray_business_to_china/

Really GE? Thanks for the support! I won't buy any more GE products.

GE profit soars 77% in first quarter; shares gain.

GE: 7000 tax returns, $0 U.S. tax bill.

General Electric, the nation’s largest corporation, had a very good year in 2010. The company reported worldwide profits of $14.2 billion, and said $5.1 billion of the total came from its operations in the United States.

Its American tax bill? None. In fact, G.E. claimed a tax benefit of $3.2 billion.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 03:50 PM
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1. As David Stockman said:
GE should have been forced to go to the commercial market and sell their bad assets and CDO's at pennies on the dollar, let the stock price plummet to a dollar and Jeff Imelt forced into resignation.
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 04:03 PM
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2. There won't be any job cuts.... Because the US jobs have already been moved to China.
Edited on Tue Jul-26-11 04:08 PM by KeepItReal
Pretty slick move GE.

That's why the CEO is on Obama's Jobs Panel... Ugh. :-(

Heres an example from 2008:

GE Healthcare announces layoffs

"Waukesha, Wis. - Citing a drop in diagnostic imaging sales, GE Healthcare in Waukesha has laid off an undetermined number of employees, according to a report in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

The Waukesha facility, which employs about 3,000 workers, will let go less than 400 workers, according to GE spokesman Brian McKaig."

http://wtnnews.com/articles/4836/



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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 04:37 PM
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5. Why is GE's CEO on Obama's job panel if he's taking jobs away from the U.S.?
This is getting ridiculous.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 01:26 PM
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8. Great question +1000 n/t
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 04:04 PM
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3. Structural defects in the tax code
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 04:18 PM
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4. GE has been the leader
in sending jobs to China. Jack Welch, past CEO, became the business guru with his plan to do just that. According to Sanders, he hoped one day to move their entire operations to China. Welch's book was quite popular with the business grads. He defined the gold rush for American buiness that can be found in China.
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 04:06 PM
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9. Welch has been gone for years...this Imelt dude is just as bad
if not worse. And to make matters worse Jeff Imelt has close association with the current administration. We are screwed!
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 08:18 PM
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6. This crap just never ends
But it must end one day. Probably after it's far too late to get back. I've fought this crap since Clinton pushed NAFTA on us.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 01:01 PM
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7. on the other hand, that may be a huge mistake for GE.
Denninger points this out:

"But - in the end this will kill GE's medical imaging division. GE had better pay attention to what happened to Fellowes - the paper shredder manufacturer. They moved their manufacturing under a "joint venture" view of the world - the Chinese stole their technology and ultimately effectively stole the tooling and factory too!

While GE can (and will be able to) block Chinese knock-offs from being imported into the US, given its serious political muscle in the United States, there is nothing they can do about sales in China itself, which will ultimately drop to zero."

Here is the story on Fellowes disaster in China:

Fellowes Inc., one of the world's largest makers of office and personal paper shredders, is witnessing the destruction of its business, as its large Chinese manufacturing plant has been shut down by its joint venture manufacturing partner.

The company's Chinese joint venture firm has barred 1,600 employees from entering the plant, stolen all of its proprietary manufacturing production equipment and forced the venture into bankruptcy. The contracts Fellowes signed with its Chinese production company meant nothing. For Fellowes, there is no such thing as rule of law in China.

The Itasca, Ill.-based company has lost $168 million worth of business and is no longer able to produce personal shredders for the world market. It has taken its case to Chinese courts, to no avail. It has pleaded with members of Congress and federal agencies, with no results.

Fellowes entered into the joint venture in China in 2006 with a company called Shinri to build a factory in southern China to manufacture inexpensive shredders. Shinri is part of a large holding company called New United Group owned by the Zhou family. Fellowes and Shinri produced shredders bearing Fellowes' brand and incorporated Fellowes' proprietary product and process technology. The shredders were produced exclusively for sale to Fellowes and its subsidiaries. Under the agreement, Fellowes owned the tooling and intellectual property used to manufacture the shredders in the factory. The joint venture manufacturing facility had 120 Chinese suppliers.

"For over three years, this engagement resulted in a very productive relationship, with Shinri manufacturing and shipping our goods to Fellowes' locations throughout the world," says James Fellowes, a third-generation chairman and CEO of Fellowes Inc. "Shinri enjoyed a 100 percent-plus return on investment for each of the years and this return on investment was always paid on time."

But in 2009 everything changed when the leadership of the Chinese company shifted to another Zhou brother. Over the next year, the Chinese company "gradually attempted to usurp control in direct violation of the joint venture agreement," Fellowes told a recent hearing of the House Foreign Affairs subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific. "Shinri methodically imposed unreasonable requirements on Fellowes in an effort to extort more profit and ultimately control the global shredder business in direct violation of our contract."

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-outsourcing-to-china-cost-fellowes.html
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 04:12 PM
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10. Similar thing happened during 1980's at my company
The company was in financial bind due to a slowdown in
economy amongst other things. So they sold the technology to
a Chinese government outfit. Never sold any manufactured products to China, just the technology gained over 60 years of product development. The Chinese have done scores of such deals to acquire technology cheap and fast.

Needless to add that my former employer went bankrupt.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 04:37 PM
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11. We seem to have no learning curve.
And this was AFTER the Japanese proved such capabilities at copying technology.
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