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4dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 06:34 AM
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The Peak Oil Crisis: Approaching The Cliff
Why does Tom Whipple get it..

http://www.fcnp.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1438&Itemid=35

Many of the just-barely-in-the-majority Democrats, especially in the Senate, are on the right track, with proposals to improve average gasoline consumption, and to increase the use of renewable energy. Scattered here and there are conservation measures and R&D money for more efficient something or others, but from the perspective of imminent oil depletion, the proposals are too little, too late. Setting efficiency goals for 10 or 15 years from now is absurd when the problems to solve may be upon us in 15 or 20 months, or, if the real alarmists are right, in 15 or 20 weeks.

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As a civilization, we are all to blame. Most Americans are showing little inclination to cut back on driving. In study after study we tell interviewers we are willing to spend our last nickel, mortgage the farm, and deprive our grandchildren before we will give up driving. We are all heading towards the cliff together.

Not much happened in the last week to tell us just how close we are to the cliff. There is a general strike going on in Nigeria that so far does not seem to be affecting oil production. Nigerian strikes are usually settled quickly, but there is a new president in charge so there could be surprises in store. In the Niger Delta, the insurgency bubbles along, despite the nominal ceasefire, with still more oil being shut-in by the insurgents during the past week.


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rubus Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:21 AM
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1. How close to the cliff?
Back in the late 1970's, we were facing a major energy crisis. Cars waited in long lines for gasoline, the Dept. of Energy was created, and President Carter described the situation as the moral equivalent of war.

Then in 1980's, oil production increased and the price went down, and America returned to complacency. This could happen again. With high oil prices, there is much exploration activity and more production from new oil wells.

Currently, the world demand is around 80 million barrels today. We do not know where all of this oil comes from because the industry is so big and diverse that many new sources are simply not recorded and tracked. New oil from Russia and other countries may not appear on our latest projections.

We also know that presently the supply is meeting the demand. We do not know how long this will last, but it could last a long time.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:46 AM
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3. 1970s: domestic peak oil.
2010s: planetary peak oil.

The difference is that unlike the 70s, there is nowhere else to get the cheap oil from. All the new oil will be rather uncheap, such as the shale oil in alberta which becomes semi-viable to extract at $70bl, or the Iraqi oil which we have kept off the market for 15 years and which is now costing us over 100B/year to keep in reserve for ourselves. Worse, the uncheap oil, in addition to causing economic and political dislocation, generally comes at a huge environmental cost: it accelerates global catastrophic climate change. It is one sorry feedback loop. It is no wonder that our leaders, with notable exceptions, will not even talk about what is in store for us.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:22 AM
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4. We got a reprieve in the 80s; why not now?
Actually, we just might get a reprieve this time, too. But the math is against it.

In the late 70s, technical breakthroughs and better mathematical models helped us get to a number of major sources of oil. There had also been a highly successful world-wide energy conservation effort. The "peak" was pushed back by about two decades. But things are different now; we overlook it because as we continue to exploit any resource, the behind-the-scenes workings go toward making supply as stable as possible.

The most easily observed factor is the decrease in the rate of new oil discoveries. New-discovery rates have followed a sharp, but mathematically predicted, curve for twenty years. For several years there was NO new oil discovered whatsoever. Recent technology has turned up more new oil again, but the amounts are much smaller; the largest and most promising finds are also the most inaccessible. There may still be a bonanza of oil waiting to be found under the Arctic Ocean or on Antarctica, but the price of that oil will be quite high, even with major technological advances.

There is actually quite a bit of oil left. It's the effort required to get to it that is critical. If it costs more to get the oil than people are willing or able to pay ("demand destruction"), that's the crisis.

Any random distribution of resources works this way.

So OPEC and the oil industry are throttling back on refinery activity. They want to maintain a stable market for their product, and they are probably doing us a favor.

The first real crisis may hit when the workers on lowest rung of society's ladder find it economically advantageous to quit their jobs rather than to put as much of their paychecks into their gas tanks. That "point" is actually a mushy zone, so it's not going to announce itself; it will probably be reported in business publications as a "puzzling loss of the Work Ethic™".

But petroleum is not my main concern. It's a big one, to be sure, but there are a number of ways we could get around using oil in such great amounts. The thing that scares me is that our demand for base-load or "primary" energy is increasing with a doubling time of 30-35 years, and we're doing too little to make sure we can sustain our economy, let alone its growth. Petrochemicals are getting expensive; coal is filthy, and even modern scrubbers aren't efficient enough to clean it up for a major expansion; nuclear energy is opposed by the dominant group of environmentalists; wind energy gets extremely high visibility, but its overall contribution is still under half a percent; solar energy is stuck at about one-sixth of a percent and two-thirds of that goes to warm swimming pools. More confusing still, hydroelectric is folded into the "renewable" category; it accounts for nearly ALL "renewable" energy but is becoming much less desirable (for example, the lakes that form behind the dams need to be dredged periodically, an expensive and ecologically destructive procedure).

I am convinced that there is no problem that can't be solved (not merely fixed) by human intelligence and effort. The danger is that we have let too much time slip away from us. We made wisecracks about hippies and granola for the better part of three decades while the laws of physics and nature continued quietly. This is the "Oh, Shit!" era. How we solve it will probably set the pace and the mood for hundreds of years. But failure to solve it will bring on more misery and death than we have ever seen in history.

Sadly, it is getting difficult to sustain much optimism. But we keep trying.

--p!
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:28 PM
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6. We're about this close:


We're about as well equipped, to boot.
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brokensymmetry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:35 AM
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2. Yes, Whipple does "get it". K&R. n/t
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bighughdiehl Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 12:49 PM
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5. Well.....
People have been forecasting big time shortages/$5+gas for every single summer for a few years. Yaaawwwwwnnnnn, even though I am logically certain PO is real and will be with us soon, I get tired of this cry wolf shit. THis summer is fine, if there are no big hurricanes. Supply is still adequate to demand. This cry wolf shit for several years has probably been one of the factors numbing the sheeple. I blame EVERYBODY-we needed some real goddamn info about when and how much oil would peak at, but the goddamn oil COS, OPEC, refuse to open the books, then the media vacillates between pretending the problem doesn't exist and imminentizing it(and then the gas lines don't come for the summer). WE should just enjoy oursleves in what time in this bountiful civilization we have, becasue TBTB aren't giving us any real ino to work with an prepare-probably deliberate.
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bighughdiehl Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 04:32 PM
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8. sorry for misunderstanding, java....
Every year I have heard since at least '04 I have heard people claim that shortages, economic collapse, and $6gas were going to happen in a matter of months. I just bet it's a scam by the PTB to numb people further, rather than give us real information to work with. PO is real and scares the shit out of me, and seems to have happened now or in the past year or two, I just wish cooler heads had tried to give us real information sooner, this imminency of hardcore shortages routine is jsut getting tiresome after a few years. How is anyone to know what to do or when?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 04:39 PM
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9. I understand what you're saying
and I think a lot of the hue and cry as to short term spikes and valley's in prices, for example, is counterproductive.

In fact, increasing price volatility with an inexorable rise in the moving average is exactly what the models predict.

There's a reason why Kunstler titled his book "The Long Emergency," because the ramifications aren't generally amenable to short term thinking.

The exception of course, is the potential for economic collapse- which could well be imminent for additional reasons and WILL be exacerbated by ever increasing energy costs.

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