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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:17 AM Original message |
Electric cars are not practical. No, really. |
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PDJane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
1. When you remember, don't forget to tell me, ok? |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
2. Tesla seems to have fixed the range problem |
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AlGore-08.com (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Unfortunately, right now Teslas have a base price of $98,000 |
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fazoolius_2006 (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. True. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. 102K unless you live in a place with no rain! nt |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Wow |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Remember, they're not in production yet |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Hope so |
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SharonRB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Our first VCR was almost $700 |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 01:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
40. Not to mention, the Tesla Roadsters are designed as sports cars, with a top speed of 130 MPH. NT |
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SharonRB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. I love that idea of electric outlets in parking meter bases |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. Would that meter require 2 coin slots? One for the partking, and |
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SharonRB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I was thinking about the same thing |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
42. This will be a big proft maker for hotels & garages, as they'll overcharge. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #14 |
79. You could charge the same parking rate, plugged in or not. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
3. Well |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
6. I would buy one. I'm less than 3 miles from my job, grocery store, and other shopping. |
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SharonRB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. I'm about 7 miles from work, but with other driving I do |
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SharonRB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
10. I'm hoping the Chevy volt will be in a practical price range |
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deadmessengers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
15. Lead Acid batteries? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #15 |
27. All but about 5% of the lead is easily recycled |
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deadmessengers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. "A" lead acid battery. |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Re: coal power |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Even if the electricity comes from a coal-fired plant |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. This depends on where you live. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. You're mistaken if you think public transport is a total answer. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
16. I started looking at these today |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #16 |
25. There is a leap between the ZAP and what you would require |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
17. There is an electirc car I am seeing more often in CA |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Not this is it? |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #18 |
31. No, these are already out there. Saw one with the Anahiem Police logo on it at Disneyland |
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DKRC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Does it look like the Smart Car? |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. That would be a GEM car |
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Solo_in_MD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Thats it...thanks |
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seemunkee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 09:11 AM Response to Reply #31 |
58. The Sparrow? |
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greenissexy (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
19. I agree, they are not practical |
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deadmessengers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Lead acid doesn't mean acid rain |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
20. Don't forget |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. gravity, is that you? |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. 5) If you turn on the heater, air conditioner, or radio, the car will stall |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 09:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
51. while pulling a trailer |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
23. "seats 4" |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Yeah I know |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Well, the back seat sounds good for groceries |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. That's one Texan! n/t |
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eleny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Hubby and I sure couldn't ride together in it |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
34. What is your point? |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
39. Lead acid batteries are far from the most practical for an electric car. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Li-Ion is also 5x more expensive |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 09:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Li Ion is more expensive right now. Not neccessarily in the future. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Actually, they're more expensive than I made them out to be: |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Dangerous? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Your call |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-27-07 04:25 AM Response to Reply #60 |
68. To be fair ... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-27-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Good point |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
44. Those cars are old technology... and impractical |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
47. Because electric vehicles are an 'unsafe' half measure. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 09:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. For God's sake, when are people going to stop listening to Kunstler? |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:18 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. In this case, he is reiterating a conclusion that I reached months ago |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. Whoops. Sorry. |
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NMDemDist2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
49. I want one of these!! |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. holding out for one of these: |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
50. He still has to rely on two vehicles |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-25-07 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
56. Anyone know about Reva Electric vehicles- seems to have won award as most cost effective vehicle |
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groovedaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
61. Film: "Who killed the Electric Car" not mentioned on this thread so far |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. The second gen EV-1 had a range of 150 miles |
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Djimnik (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. EV-1 was a neat experiment. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Where do I start |
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groovedaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-27-07 09:28 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. Would the cost be lower with mass production? |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-27-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. No doubt |
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Djimnik (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-27-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. I can only go off my experience. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
66. I heard the CEO of Zenn Motors speak in Toronto last week |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-26-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. What may take shape before an all-supercapacitor power source |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-27-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Altairnano is battery technology worth keeping an eye on |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-27-07 10:44 AM Response to Reply #66 |
73. batteries and capacitors aren't energy sources. they're just storage. |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-27-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Looking at both sides of the energy coin |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-27-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. I agree -- they are an important tool. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-27-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. Agree, I should have said "some new energy technology" |
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razzleberry (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-29-07 04:13 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Energy security, would be a big boost to the environment |
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