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Ordr (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:52 AM Original message |
Kardashev scale |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
1. WARNING! Forbidden ISO units used in Wikipedia article! |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Oh fuck! My eyes! I'm blind! |
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Ordr (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. LMAO |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
3. I do not find it terribly useful, for one main reason |
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Ordr (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Interesting. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Any philosophy that relies on altruism as a species-level organizing principle is doomed. |
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Ordr (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. "We've proven to monumentally bad at altruism, even on much smaller scales than whole species." |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I agree |
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Ordr (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Hmm. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. If you really feel that way |
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Ordr (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. you need to do more research |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Ecology and food are two crucial elements |
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Ordr (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. my over-riding goal in life right now is to wake as many people as possible up to the situation |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
25. You can make a pretty good sword out of a car spring. |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
20. Have we? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I'm not saying we don't practice altruism, or that it's not a successful strategy |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. What you said was |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I was responding to the comment that what we need is a "universal unselfish morality" |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Are we "singularly bad" at altruism? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. OK, how about "remarkably" bad at it? |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. How about "not as good at it as we wish we were" |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Everything you say is true |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. "... we can't activate it toward total strangers without some extraordinary effort ..." |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. What about that event wasn't extraordinary? |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. It just struck me... |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Huh. |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Non-anthropocentric, non-geocentric, and speculative |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Fair enough. I still object to the organizing principle |
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Ordr (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Agreed. |
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pscot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
11. So the top civilization |
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Ordr (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. So the top civilization... |
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losthills (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
18. More bunk....... |
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Ordr (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. "More bunk......." |
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losthills (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
38. More bunk.... |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
26. I don't think there is any such thing as "civilization." |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. "I see everything as ecology and evolution and there is no hierarchy of life" |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. "Vanity of vanities, says the Teacher, vanity of vanities! All is vanity." |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. The joy is in the adventure and the telling of stories. |
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