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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-05-08 09:47 PM Original message |
Reliance On Giant Wind “Foolishness” |
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Beregond2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-05-08 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
1. How does the failure of a gas-fired power station |
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Massacure (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-05-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Because that gas-fired power station is backup for when its not windy. |
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Beregond2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-05-08 11:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I still don't see the logic. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-05-08 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
2. Nobody "relies" on wind power. Only in fundie land is wind power considered reliable. |
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newfie11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 06:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Here in the Nebraska panhandle it is VERY reliable |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Really? Why are they building THIS powerplant in Nebraska then? |
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newfie11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I have no idea. It isn't in the panhandle maybe they don't have the wind there |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 02:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
22. The wind is always blowing somewhere |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-05-08 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. Nothing but disguised pronuclear propaganda |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Nuclear propaganda from from New Zealand??? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Nuclear is the only realistic alternative offered. nt |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:47 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Offered by who? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. It is discussed. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #12 |
26. That quote is nowhere in the OP's linked article |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. You're right, my mistake. |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 01:30 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. No problem |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
6. Bullshit article--every kind of power plant goes down and needs backups, the grid |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 01:58 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Yet the result is still the same: burning of fossil fuels |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 02:18 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. No that isn't the question. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 05:31 AM Response to Original message |
13. A few thoughts and comments, if I may: |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Wind energy, like solar, can itself be used to produce HYDROGEN as a backup ... |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Are you referring to this (link)? |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 01:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. about MgH2 |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 07:23 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Magnesium for Hydrogen Storage |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. As a nonscientist, I would need some explanation of the PRACTICAL import of this desorption stuff |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Taking what is evident |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Liquid hydrogen has 1/4 the energy density of gasoline by volume |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Apples and oranges |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. that article (from THE NATION) described mgH2 canisters, which worked fine |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. I understand your scepticism |
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eppur_se_muova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-10-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. The issue of H2O exhaust as a greenhouse gas is trivial... |
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ElectricGrid (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:22 AM Response to Original message |
15. Sounds like bunk to me. |
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Dead_Parrot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-06-08 08:23 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Care to eleborate? nt |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
27. see VRB Power site re vanadium redox storage batteries. |
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