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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 04:38 PM Original message |
Here's an idea. Why don't we kill the sugar tariff, reduce the cost of sugar and import sugar for |
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angrycarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. some of the poorest people on earth |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Can you say "Depression" - that's what we will have if oil stays this high. and when our economy |
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angrycarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. I lived near the sugar fields of south florida |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-17-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Then get prepared for a major depression that will take years to get out of. |
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global1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Tobaccohol.......nt |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
2. Because... |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. If we permitted imported sugar at world prices, exporting nations would win and so would we. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Works in theory |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. YEah, let's do nothing while we wait 20 years for plug-ins to make an appreciable dent in the gas |
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IrateCitizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Is that all agriculture is to you??? |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Everybody forgets about agriculture |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-16-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. use crop rotation like most farmers do. The point is crops are a renewable source of energy. unlike |
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poopfuel (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-17-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. for more on all this and numerous alternative crops |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-17-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Thanks for reminder! |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
8. I have to laugh when I think of how some South American country uses sugar |
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Fledermaus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
9. Sugar not fit for human consumption can/is imported @ 9.5 cents per pound! |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-16-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. That's the basic way around the sugar tariff - mix it with something else and then sift out the |
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lfairban (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-16-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Good link! |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-16-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. and that's without inflation of the gasoline price! |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-17-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. $1.00 a gallon. And at a larger scale it would be even less. But just use $1.00 a gallon - |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-17-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. More like $2.40 a gallon |
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lfairban (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-17-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. There goes my $5000 bucks! |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 04:26 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. The other molecule on the right is carbon dioxide |
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lfairban (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I C |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-29-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. very clever! Make that man a project leader. |
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poopfuel (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 09:01 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. yes ADM has done that sort of thing |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-30-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. thanks. Jeez, the oil industry has shown boundless energy in efforts to kill off any competition. |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-29-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Absolutely, cellulosic ethanol is better and many smart people are working on making this a |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. cellulosic ethanol is not economically viable yet. Hopefully, there are those who say in 5 to 6 yrs |
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Fledermaus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-17-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Inedible surgar costs much less...less than 9 cents/lb in mexico. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 04:16 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. I'm not sure what 'trade protected' is |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. YOU lost me. You were talking about the price of sugar and then quoted the price of ethanol? |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-22-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Just to review: domestic price of sugar is 2 to 2.5 times the World market price of sugar. |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. thank you for this info! |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
11. The Red River Valley (ND-MN) grows $10 of millions worth of sugar beets. |
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JohnWxy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-16-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. another good argument for killing the sugar tariff. thank you! |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
14. Concern about urinary carcinogens, maybe? |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-16-08 05:37 AM Response to Original message |
15. this is sorta off topic but do you remember back when C&H sugar |
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