Sorry deniers: Eighth warmest June on record means Great Ice Age of 2008 is STILL over

[RedEarth]

I know we’re supposed to be going into a period of cooling, at least according to people who don’t believe in the scientific method, but for those who do, NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center reports in its “Climate of 2008 June in Historical Perspective“:

Based on preliminary data, the globally averaged combined land and sea surface temperature was the eighth warmest on record for June and the ninth warmest for January-June year-to-date period.

It is pretty darn hot in Greenland and Siberia, not like there’s anything important in those regions:



Seriously, though, a 4°C to 5°C anomaly over Siberia is bad news for anyone who worries about the 1000 billion tons of carbon locked away in the permafrost (see “Breaking News — Tundra 4: Permafrost loss linked to Arctic sea ice loss“). Speaking of sea ice:


According to the National Snow and Ice Data Center, the June 2008 Northern Hemisphere sea ice extent, which is measured from passive microwave instruments onboard NOAA satellites, was below the 1979-2000 mean. This was the third least June sea ice extent on record, behind 2006 and 2005.

http://climateprogress.org/2008/07/16/sorry-deniers-eighth-warmest-june-on-record-means-great-ice-age-of-2008-is-still-over/

[hobbit709]

1. You're trying to confuse their feeble minds with FACTS

you know that after about the fifth or sixth synapse firing in sequence, their neuron pathways fizzle out.

[kimmerspixelated]

2. But I have wondered for some time

if in addition to the global warming/cooling patterns we are seeing, isn't it possible that some stats are also caused by the possible axis shift-I forgot the real name for it, and a link to what I'm talking about!..Sorry!

[DCKit]

3. "...1000 billion tons of carbon locked away in the permafrost..."

It's not so much the carbon, but what form it's in. At the very least, and the most conservative estimate I've heard, methane is 13x worse as a greenhouse gas than CO2. When all that ancient, buried vegetation rots, it's going to produce plenty of methane.

In one segment of "Earth: A Biography" they showed the host with a climate scientist lighting the methane trapped in the ice of a Siberian lake. At one point, it looked like a flamethrower had been set off.

When all that methane is released into the atmosphere, many parts of the world are going to become uninhabitable. Some will go further into heat/drought while others will be inundated by constant torrential rains. Neither extreme is going to allow for much agriculture.

[glitch]

6. OT but wasn't Earth: A Biography extremely well done? Most impressive.

Helps make the huge dish expenditure every month almost worth it.

[On the Road]

4. That is a Really Nice Display of Data

After the peak in sunspots in the late 90s, average temperatures plummeted for a year, causing all the deniers to crow about how it was sunspots. The second year, temperatures resumed the upward trend. I had someone on another board post a chart of this, not realizing that his reasoning was seven years old and disproven by his own chart.

[autorank]

5. K*R - It's been a problem since Gallileo - people refuse to see.

There's a law firm out there collecting names of public deniers, their affiliations, and the trail
of their funding. They've been doing this for a few years.

Why? Because they plan a ton of law suits under the assumption that if an energy company or other
related group funds bad science, then the companies and the "scientists" need to be willing to pay
for their deliberately misleading advice. I hope they ad network news organizations like CNN to the
list and nail them too.

Thank you!

[Nihil]

7. K & R (n/t)