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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 12:17 AM
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Ocean Energy from Warm Water and Wind?
Gary Griggs, Our Ocean Backyard: Ocean Energy from Warm Water and Wind?

Ocean energy has received a lot of space recently, and from the comments posted online and in e-mails I've received, it's reassuring to find that people are reading the columns, and to discover their interest and concerns. It's time to move on to other ocean issues, but there are two other sources of ocean-related energy that I want to cover.

One is Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion OTEC, a concept that has been around for more than a century but never successfully developed on a commercial scale. It sounds a lot like OPEC, but is clearly worlds apart. The oceans cover 71 percent of the Earth's surface and are heated daily by the sun, so there is a vast amount of solar energy stored in warm surface waters. The challenge is how to extract it economically. OTEC generates electricity by taking advantage of the temperature difference between the warm surface water and cold water at depth. As in any heat engine, the greatest efficiency is obtained when the temperature differences are the greatest. Differences of at least 20 degrees Celsius 36 degrees Fahrenheit are common in tropical latitudes such as Hawaii. However, the relatively small temperature difference means that large flows of both warm and cold water are required.

In a closed OTEC cycle, the warm surface water runs through a heat exchanger to vaporize the working fluid, and the vapor runs through a turbine to generate electricity. The required cold water is brought from the depths up to the surface through
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the cold-water pipe, and it condenses the working fluid back to liquid. A practical cold-water pipe is one of the two key technologies required to commercialize OTEC, and is a huge component, being about 33 feet in diameter and twice as tall as the Empire State Building.

Lockheed Martin is using modern fiberglass and ...

http://www.mercurynews.com/centralcoast/ci_11365370?nclick_check=1
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-09 10:37 AM
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 12:28 PM
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 12:33 PM
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3. getting the same message
maybe I have my security settings set too high, I don't know.

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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:30 PM
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4. I got the error once from the link in the OP
Try this: http://www.mercurynews.com/centralcoast/ci_11365370">Gary Griggs, Our Ocean Backyard: Ocean Energy from Warm Water and Wind?
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 01:51 PM
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5. same thing. Thanks though
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 07:28 PM
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6. I'm on a Mac and use Firefox as a web browser
So I don't have the same response popping up. Microsoft gives a little information on checking a site's validity after a certificate warning: http://www.microsoft.com/protect/yourself/phishing/spoof.mspx
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 07:42 PM
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7. Knowing what the deal is is way out of my league, no doubt about that.
this is the only time I've had this happen though. I guess its possible its something I've done on my end with my setup. Oh well
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 07:48 PM
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8. Probably not
There are innocent explanations at the other end also. If you haven't gotten that alert before it probably isn't your settings.

You might want to switch to Mozilla's 'Firefox' (it's free). I'm not an expert either, but I have access to some good IT advice and was told it was a much safer browser than IE.

In addition I use "NoScript" (also free and available at Mozilla's site) and it is very good at letting me know when a website is trying to write anything onto my computer.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-09 07:55 PM
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Ocean energy has received a lot of space recently, and from the comments posted online and in e-mails I've received, it's reassuring to find that people are reading the columns, and to discover their interest and concerns. It's time to move on to other ocean issues, but there are two other sources of ocean-related energy that I want to cover.

One is Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion OTEC, a concept that has been around for more than a century but never successfully developed on a commercial scale. It sounds a lot like OPEC, but is clearly worlds apart. The oceans cover 71 percent of the Earth's surface and are heated daily by the sun, so there is a vast amount of solar energy stored in warm surface waters. The challenge is how to extract it economically. OTEC generates electricity by taking advantage of the temperature difference between the warm surface water and cold water at depth. As in any heat engine, the greatest efficiency is obtained when the temperature differences are the greatest. Differences of at least 20 degrees Celsius 36 degrees Fahrenheit are common in tropical latitudes such as Hawaii. However, the relatively small temperature difference means that large flows of both warm and cold water are required.

In a closed OTEC cycle, the warm surface water runs through a heat exchanger to vaporize the working fluid, and the vapor runs through a turbine to generate electricity. The required cold water is brought from the depths up to the surface through
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the cold-water pipe, and it condenses the working fluid back to liquid. A practical cold-water pipe is one of the two key technologies required to commercialize OTEC, and is a huge component, being about 33 feet in diameter and twice as tall as the Empire State Building.

Lockheed Martin is using modern fiberglass and low-cost composite material manufacturing methods to develop a cost-effective, reliable cold-water pipe. Workers at their nearby Palo Alto/Sunnyvale location recently completed an initial small-scale "proof-of-principle" demonstration of the new fabrication process, and the company recently received a $1.2 million grant from the U.S. Department of Energy to demonstrate it at large scale. OTEC could enable Hawaii to achieve energy independence, ending its almost total reliance on expensive imported oil.

Wind power has been growing at a pace comparable to solar power with the worldwide capacity increasing at 32 percent per year, on average, for the past decade. Generation costs have fallen by 50 percent over the past 15 years and modern wind turbines have improved dramatically in their efficiency and reliability. More than 70 countries around the world are now using wind power, with the U.S. in the lead with 21,000 megawatts of existing capacity enough to power nearly 17 million homes, and an additional 8,600 megawatts under construction. California is second behind Texas in wind energy development with 2,500 megawatts of existing capacity. The growth of new wind farms has been spurred by a modest tax credit, but one that Congress has repeatedly threatened to eliminate, which has slowed investment.

While we usually think of wind turbines on hillsides such as Altamont Pass on the way to Stockton, wind farms can also be sited offshore. Depending upon water depths, different foundation systems are required, including floating platforms at greater depths. One of the largest offshore areas in the U.S. with shallow water is off Cape Cod, where a major wind farm proposal 12 miles offshore is moving forward, despite some local opposition. While local concerns about how wind turbines might affect offshore views may have some merit, they must be balanced against the social costs of other forms of electrical power generation.

Wind turbines can also be built farther offshore in deeper water, although foundation costs increase with greater water depth, and costs of connecting with existing power grids increase with distance offshore. Still, there are advantages to siting wind farms further offshore. Wind speeds tend to be higher and the wind is steadier, which means more energy is available.

A recent study of the offshore wind energy potential along California's coast using existing technologies indicates we have the potential to provide 26-112 percent of the state's total electrical needs, depending upon the height of the wind turbines and wind velocities utilized. This may be our best near-term, renewable ocean energy opportunity.

Gary Griggs is director of the Institute of Marine Sciences and Long Marine Laboratory at UC Santa Cruz. He can be reached at griggs@ucsc.edu.
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