An interesting take on oil and seismic activity

[undergroundpanther]

Might be a investigation for some real scientists(i.e.not owned by oil companies) To look into,and see if there is anything to it.

http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=10211&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported

[Fiona]

1. "Interesting" is one word

to describe it.

[snooper2]

2. Okay, now an "air-gun"

Caused shifting of tectonic plates....

:crazy:

[DulceDecorum]

5. Don't forget that Moses caused a tsunami

to clear the shore for the Isrealites
and drown the Egyptians
by using the principle of the Chinese Spouting Bowl!
http://www.grand-illusions.com/tim/spouting.htm
http://www.kleinbottle.com/SpoutingBowls.htm

:puke:

Honestly,
some of you people need more help than tinfoil can supply.
You really buy some of this stuff??

In 1957, the president's advisory committee on weather control explicitly recognized the military potential of weather-modification, warning in their report that it could become a more important weapon than the atom bomb.5
http://twm.co.nz/militarywm.htm

Weather modification is a technology once embraced by the U.S. military as a tool to help both wartime and peacetime missions. However, interest in the ability to modify weather has waned over recent years and is now nearly non-existent.
http://www.fas.org/spp/eprint/coble.htm

Oct. 29, 2004
While the U.S. military is not involved with Hoffman's project, the Lexington, Massachusetts-based Atmospheric and Environmental Research counts the U.S. Defense Department as a client.
Hoffman said humanity should not worry about "weather wars."
"There is a U.N. convention in place that bans using weather modification as a weapon," he said.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/29/tech/main652303.shtml

As used in Article I, the term "environmental modification techniques" refers to any technique for changing -- through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes -- the dynamics, composition or structure of the Earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, or of outer space.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/enmod/text/environ2.htm

Who would ever DARE violate a UN Treaty?
With the sole exception of Saddam?
Some of you are probably the kind of people who blame Bush for everything.

One well-established cloud-seeding operation in the US is to be found in George Bush's home state of Texas. The South Texas Weather Modification Association (STWMA) was formed in 1996. In 1998, the Edwards Aquifier Authority in Texas set aside $500,000 for cloud seeding, and in coordination with the STWMA, convinced then-Governor George W. Bush's administration to suspend regulations requiring a permit to seed clouds, which allowed efforts to begin immediately. Since that time several distinct weather-modification associations have begun operations in Texas, and at Texas A&M one can find publications which provide introductory overviews and maps demonstrating the effects of cloud seeding operations there. Recent news indicates that cloud-seeding efforts continue in the dry and arid counties of southwest Texas.
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/4/28/91213/9747

Sometimes a tsunami is just a tsunami, people.
Get over it.

[RoyGBiv]

3. Yes, "interesting" ...

In previous eras of history, people blamed volcanoes, earthquakes, etc. on vengeful gods. A lot of the crazy religion we have around today revolve in some way around a movement of the earth people simply couldn't explain enough to satisfy themselves.

Just something to consider. Humans have a difficult time conceptualizing the forces involved in tectonics, which is somewhat understandable given the newness of the field. But, still.

Of course, all things are related in one way or another, but since we're talking about one piece of rock about thousands of miles long, thousands of miles wide, and hundreds of feet thick pushing underneath another piece of rock somewhat smaller, but still massive, and displacing a few dozen meters of ocean floor, I'm having a hard time conceptualizing myself how sonic blasts of the intensity we're capable of producing artificially could account for the recent earthquake 30 kilometers beneath the surface.

[undergroundpanther]

4. Yes

But..we don't have much data of what was before industrial civilizaion and our ability to measure changes.The Mohole project found interesting things,that are unique oon this Earth in this time due to industrialization.
WE have nearly sucked all of the oil out of the Earth.
We don't know why the Earth made oil.We know how but not why and what purpose oil served to the Earth.

Rain is a recycling process so is the decay of organic matter.

If you ended one step of the rain cycle ,like condensation or evaporation things on Eath would get fucked up really fast.

So what purpose does oil serve to maintain the Earth?
Why science doesen't consider asking these non-human centered questions at all is really strange to me considering we all depend on this Earth to survive.

[TxRoadHawg]

6. Oil Exploration

I know very little about underground oil reservoirs except the notion that there is a big lake of oil underground is not true. Removing oil doesn't leave a void. It's more like a sponge being sucked out with a straw. What is removed is replaced by other liquids such as water. Oil can only be drawn out for so far in any direction, that's why they use multi-directional drilling in the same field. If that wasn't the case you could drill one huge hole and just suck all the oil out for miles around.

[RoyGBiv]

7. Clarification ....

The way you phrase that seems to indicate you're suggesting a sentient consciousness is at work with regard to the development of various resources like oil, i.e. "why the earth made oil."

Is this the case as you see it?

[undergroundpanther]

8. No

I really have no clue why things exist as they do.
I don't believe in a god making a big fucked up art project out of us for giggles n shits if that's what you are wondering,,that I'm a theist?.
I ain't no theist,I am closer to a maltheist. I think the cruelty of evolution is a pointer to how corrupted and cruel the way things are,are Whatewver evolved us into being a self aware consious life in a reality where life consumes life to live and it die anyway is just random evolutionary sadism.
I think however this world is brilliant in it's frantic adaptations with a flawed unstable degenerating subtances. Problem is reality itself is all fucked up from the start.
It ain't ALL human doing.But human stupidity and silly beliefs,pet theories, and insecure egos make it worse.
If there was any god I'd hate it's guts for making this reality like this.If there is no god I still think evolution and forces forcing sentient beings into roles competing against each other is a travesty and IMHO more human hearts minds should be focussed on changing this reality problem as it is the enemy of life instead of focussing on these limited issues and caterwauling bullshit and pet peeves that go on between christian nazi 'debbils'and snotty evolutionary theory theists.The enemy of life is in the forces seen or unseen detectable or not,that effect us in bad ways in this reality .Since we do not know everything about our world and how it works or what it does and why yet, looking at that with open eyes,and putting aside quibbles make life one of less suffering.
Science has helped alot with this material reality(including quantum stuff) isssue but it's limited.Spirituality(not religion) helps with exploration into inner spaces and other realities but it's limited too.The fundamentalists of any belief or feild of science are just sick authoritarians that help no one.

God or no god? I don't care. It's that fucking gawd question that is the ego flustering bullshit getting in the way of understanding how to make the suffering in this existance stop hurting ,using,abusing,killing devouring....
Thats my point of view.

[RoyGBiv]

9. Thanks for your thoughts ...

Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of a "Gaian Mother" type thing, but your note pretty much tells me what I wanted to know.

It's trite, but I think the phrase "shit happens" explains a great deal about this world, no not in concrete terms we can examine in a lab of course, but in the overall. There simply is no apparent ryhme or reason to a great number of the world's tragedies. As you say, we do not, despite our arrogance, understand how the world really works. We can define basic concepts and get the general picture. Plate tectonics theory, which has been developed in the last half century, was a huge leap toward understanding a number of things, but of course it isn't the whole picture.

As I said previously -- perhaps in another thread; can't remember -- all things are related in cause and effect, but some people take chaos theory and its ubiquitous example of the butterfly effect far too literally. That one butterfly didn't "cause" a hurricane. It was, in its own small way, a part of the global system in which that hurricane formed, however, and so played a part.

Do our actions on and within the planet affect it? I'm certain they do, but the proposals being advanced lately have no sense of perspective. The nuke tests in the 50's didn't "cause" this earthquake. Sonic blasts didn't cause it either. In ways so small we would have difficulty grasping the numberical representation, they certainly played some part, but plate tectonic theory has any substance -- and I believe that it most certainly does -- that earthquake or one very much like it, if not worse, was going to happen sooner or later.

[NickB79]

11. Function? More like byproduct

Oil serves no function the planet couldn't exist without. Consider the fact that there was likely almost no oil on this planet until ~500 million years ago at the earliest, with most oil made long after that. While life evolved 3.5 billion years ago, it was unicellular bacterial life, with little organic build-up to be converted to oil. Only after the Cambrian explosion of life did large concentrations of organic material from dying plants and animals provide raw product for oil production. That means the Earth survived perfectly fine for more than 3/4 of it's 5 billion yr lifespan with no oil whatsoever to serve any purpose.

BTW, we have not "nearly sucked all the oil out of the Earth." We are heading towards (if not already in) Peak Oil, but this is the point when we have sucked HALF of all the easily-accessible known oil deposits out of the Earth. There will be many times this amount of oil still locked in the ground even after Peak Oil, but in areas either too inaccessible to drill, or in material too expensive to extract (oil shale, for example).

[Helix]

10. Oil may have no purpose....

It is a common misconception that everything has a reason for existing, like oil. It is not the case that if something has been created (in this case from decomposition of organic remains) it serves some purpose. It is often the case that a pre-existing element gains a use after it is created. Take water for example, it really is unnecessary for the existence of planets but after water formed on earth life formed in it and now cant exist without it.

[XemaSab]

12. "Purpose" of oil

If you look at oil from a climate perspective, fossil fuels serve to sequester carbon.

This carbon sequestration allows the earth to be much cooler and drier than it has been at points in the past. The dinosaurs lived in a big swamp, then the vegetation on the floor of the swamp was converted to oil and coal beds. This removed carbon from circulation. Viola, no more giant swamp. We're putting carbon back in circulation through burning of fossil fuels.

Additionally, small earthquakes can be triggered by human events, such as atomic blasts or reservoirs, but not large earthquakes, such as the event in the Indian Ocean.

Withdrawal of oil may cause ground subsidence, much as withdrawal of water from aquifers does, or possibly it could cause some sort of spalling event as pressure is released over rock layers, as sometimes happens in rock mines. If this happened, there might be a small quake, and the ground surface would move, but nothing large.

The sort of testing they were doing to determine the location of subterranean oil beds probably didn't shake anything loose that wasn't already under intense stress.

The two plates that ruptured leading to the tsunami are the same plates that have given us the Himalayan Mountains. This is a very active fault line.