Scientific Conspiracy Emails Reveal No Human Warming, Saudi Negotiator Says - BBC

[hatrack]

Gosh, why would he say something like that? :silly:

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"It appears from the details of the scandal that there is no relationship whatsoever between human activities and climate change," he told BBC News.

"Climate is changing for thousands of years, but for natural and not human-induced reasons.

"So, whatever the international community does to reduce greenhouse gas emissions will have no effect on the climate's natural variability."

Some other countries shared this view, he said; and as a result, governments would not be prepared to countenance agreeing anything that would affect economic growth for many years, until "new evidence" settled the scientific picture.

However, governments might be willing to commit to "no-cost" measures to constrain emissions, he said, while Western nations should be prepared to assist poor vulnerable countries financially as they prepared for impacts of "the already happening natural climate change". Mr Al-Sabban said the UN summit should encourage a "full investigation" of the CRU e-mails affair.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8392611.stm

Yes, I'm sure the deniers will leave no stone turned in their relentless search for truth.

[tabatha]

1. This has to be one of the most devastating things

that has ever happened. How is the record going to be set straight?

[bhikkhu]

5. Men argue, nature acts

...or so said Voltaire

[joshcryer]

6. It's less bad than the GISS calibration screwups that occurred.

In this case it's mostly innuendo. When those datasets had to be readjusted, there was an obvious failure on part of the scientists (it didn't screw the graphs up either way, though, and bias was not indicated in any way, just a mistake).

[DavidDvorkin]

7. The record is already straight and doesn't need to be set

The denialists will do their denying no matter what anyone else says or demonstrates.

[OKIsItJustMe]

2. Dup!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=219962&mesg_id=219962

[Birthmark]

3. Well, Mr. Saudi Negotiator

The scientific picture IS settled. And it's us. The emails changed not a jot of the science. And if you're dishonest enough to pretend they did...well, there's not much I can really do about that. You have to live with your own dishonesty and irresponsibility.

[eppur_se_muova]

4. Can't say it better than that. nt

[bhikkhu]

8. Its not exactly a science-friendly country:

http://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/saudi-clerics-evolution-is-alien-ideology/

http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091114121859AAuIwP6

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/nov/02/us-elections-usa-creationism-religion "Vast sums of probably Saudi money are fuelling the move of creationism across the Atlantic. "

etc...

[kristopher]

9. I had a job locked in there many years ago.

Under contract to McDonnell Douglass to teach air operations to the Saudi Air Force.

I initially agreed enthusiastically because of the pay (retirement would have been possible after 5 years) but the more we learned the less important the money seemed. I backed out about a month before my departure date.

That is an extremely harsh culture to live in.