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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 06:58 PM
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The climate denial industry is out to dupe the public. And it's working
When you survey the trail of wreckage left by the climate emails crisis, three things become clear. The first is the tendency of those who claim to be the champions of climate science to minimise their importance. Those who have most to lose if the science is wrong have perversely sought to justify the secretive and chummy ethos that some of the emails reveal. If science is not transparent and accountable, it's not science.

I believe that all supporting data, codes and programmes should be made available as soon as an article is published in a peer-reviewed journal. That anyone should have to lodge a freedom of information request to obtain them is wrong. That the request should be turned down is worse. That a scientist suggests deleting material that might be covered by that request is unjustifiable. Everyone who values the scientific process should demand complete transparency, across all branches of science.

The second observation is the tendency of those who don't give a fig about science to maximise their importance. The denial industry, which has no interest in establishing the truth about global warming, insists that these emails, which concern three or four scientists and just one or two lines of evidence, destroy the entire canon of climate science.

Even if you were to exclude every line of evidence that could possibly be disputed – the proxy records, the computer models, the complex science of clouds and ocean currents – the evidence for man-made global warming would still be unequivocal. You can see it in the measured temperature record, which goes back to 1850; in the shrinkage of glaciers and the thinning of sea ice; in the responses of wild animals and plants and the rapidly changing crop zones.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/dec/07/climate-change-denial-industry
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 07:00 PM
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1. stupid article
the data is all freely available. It always has been.

dumbasses.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 08:59 PM
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3. Model source code, "raw" data, etc, niggling issues, really.
Though ClimatePrediction.net could benefit from releasing the source code, it is not necessary to verify the veracity of models. That is done through peer review and model comparison.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 07:07 PM
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2. Just the reality that Global Climate Change is being treated as anything but fact
indicates that the forces who want to minimize it are running a successful campaign.

These questions are repeated constantly by the conners and the easily-conned. Just like the makeup of the repuke party.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 09:00 PM
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4. Part is due to the MSM giving deniers equal footing for screen time.
I mean, what would the news do if it couldn't sit shills for the industry down and argue relentlessly?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 09:45 PM
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6. 100% right!
:thumbsup:
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wuvuj Donating Member (874 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-07-09 09:34 PM
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5. News tonight...Katie Couric...
Implication that though the Maldives were going to be underwater...this was OK cause Greenland would have less ice...and I guess would become a paradise. The MSM rides again?

Just like before the market crash...it was wonderful that the Chinese poor had our jobs...didn't we feel good about that?

You've got to pick up EVERY STITCH...the shit mongering MSM are out and about.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92HjH1GG3ro&feature=related

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