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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:44 PM
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The Gazprom Song
No, really.


Let's drink to you, let's drink to us,
Let's drink to all the Russian gas
That it never comes to an end,
Though it's so hard to obtain
Let's drink to you, let's drink to us
Let's drink to all the Russian gas
For those extracting the new sun
From down beneath the ground

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGbI87tyr_4

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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 12:52 PM
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1. Is this what Amory Lovins and Gerhard Schroeder sing while drinking humanity into oblivion during...
...Berlin drinking parties in the Russian embasassy?

Drunks, you gotta love 'em.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 01:45 PM
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2. Let's drink to all the Russian gas, that it never comes to an end!
Revealing lyric, isn't it?

:toast:
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 06:32 PM
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5. Gazprom gas came to an end for Bulgarians last winter.
In a bit of never ending irony, the http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/09/AR2005120901755.html">Gazprom Executive Gerhard Schroeder has earlier - while working for that Gazprom subsidiary known as the "Government of Germany" made closing Bulgaria's nuclear plants a condition of joining the EU.

As far as I know, Schroeder didn't donate any part of his 300,000 euro Gazprom salary to relief of the Bulgarians while they froze.

It seems that Pooty-Poot felt that Gazprom should punish Ukraine for pretending to be an independent state, and if this meant cutting off Bulgaria while cutting of Ukraine, so be it.

Of course, Germany got its gas from the pipeline funded and built by German taxpayer money that was "loaned" to Gazprom. It seems that Gerhard had a lot of confidence in the German "wind and solar" campaign, and thus went out of his way to fund a gas line imported dangerous natural gas and then, um, "get a job" working for the gas people in a more official way.

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 02:06 PM
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3. Aaah the lovely refrain of the nuclear industry trying to smear Lovins
Edited on Sun Dec-27-09 02:06 PM by kristopher
It certainly isn't any wonder as to why they try to sully his efforts though, is it? When you hear them squeal like this you know you have them by the 'nnads.


Non-Nuclear Futures: The Case for an Ethical Energy Strategy

Non-Nuclear Futures: The Case for an Ethical Energy Strategy is a 1975 book by Amory B. Lovins and John H. Price.<1> <2> The main theme of the book is that the most important parts of the nuclear power debate are not technical disputes but relate to personal values, and are the legitimate province of every citizen, whether technically trained or not. Lovins and Price suggest that the personal values that make a high-energy society work are all too apparent, and that the values associated with an alternate view relate to thrift, simplicity, diversity, neighbourliness, craftsmanship, and humility.<3>

Lovins and Price suggest that these two different sets of personal values lead to two very different policy paths relating to future energy supplies. The first is high-energy nuclear, centralized, electric; the second is lower energy, non-nuclear, decentralized, less electrified, softer technology.<4>

Subsequent publications by other authors which relate to the issue of non-nuclear energy paths are Greenhouse Solutions with Sustainable Energy, Plan B 2.0, Reaction Time, State of the World 2008, and The Clean Tech Revolution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-nuclear_future



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Amory Lovins had the solution to the energy problem in 1976. It's taken the rest of us 33 years to catch up. In the wake of the 1973 Arab oil embargo, Lovins wrote his seminal piece in Foreign Affairs comparing what he called "the hard" and "the soft" energy paths.

The hard path, which most people advocated, involved securing more and more fossil fuel at any price. The soft path involved looking for new and renewable energy sources. In 1982, Lovins, who had studied physics and the arts at Harvard and Oxford, founded the Rocky Mountain Institute, where he kept his green drumbeat going, calling for cars that hacked away at the inefficiencies of the postwar era. Now 61, he is watching as his arguments become accepted wisdom and is even helping in the transition away from fossil fuels, as when he taught Wal-Mart how to make its trucks more efficient. It's been a long wait — more than three decades — but Lovins' patience has clearly paid off.
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1894410_1893209_1893457,00.html




Amory Bloch Lovins (born November 13, 1947 in Washington, DC) is Chairman and Chief Scientist of the Rocky Mountain Institute. His four decades of work spans and integrates energy policy, resources, security, economy, environment, and development.

Lovins worked professionally as an environmentalist in the 1970s and since then as an analyst of and advocate for a "soft energy path" for the United States and other nations. He has promoted energy efficiency, the use of renewable energy sources, and the generation of energy at or near the site where the energy is actually used. Lovins has also advocated a "negawatt revolution" arguing that utility customers don’t want kilowatt-hours of electricity; they want energy services. In the 1990s, his work with Rocky Mountain Institute included the design of an ultra-efficient automobile, the Hypercar.

Lovins has received ten honorary doctorates and won many awards. He has provided expert testimony in eight countries and more than 20 US states, briefed 19 heads of state, and published 29 books. These books include Winning the Oil Endgame, Small is Profitable, Factor Four, and Natural Capitalism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amory_Lovins
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 04:05 PM
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4. Ah the voice of gas and oil companies laying their shit and frauds on thicker.
Edited on Sun Dec-27-09 04:09 PM by NNadir
Any moron can read, assuming the moron can read, the bull put forth in the paid off gas and oil apologist's tripe in the awful high school quality paper, "The Road Not Taken" published in Foreign Affairs in 1976 - 33 years ago - the one that made the world safe for gas and oil companies by confidently predicting 20+ exajoules of solar energy by 2000.

Let's have some um, um, um, um denialist bull of the type 0.091 = 20+

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/alternate/page/renew_energy_consump/table1.html

Where exactly are those hydrogen HYPErcars that he promised, in 2001, "would be in showrooms by 2005." I'm sure his scammed Madoffed investors would like to know the same thing.

I've published excerpts from that cock and bull story from Foreign Affairs here many times, as well as the delusional "Nuclear Power and Nuclear Bombs" that claimed, in 1980, that nuclear power was dying.

The number of anti-nukes who can compare numbers is zero, but no one should be surprised to hear them claim yet again that

Lovins is paid, according to his own website, by the following dangerous fossil fuel dependent companies:

Chevron. ConocoPhillips. Sun Oil.

Royal Dutch Shell. Rio Tinto.

Wallmart. major real-estate developers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amory_Lovins

These companies have a tragic and awful record of rapaciously destroying the environment, and they pay the professional amoral greenwasher Lovins to do what he does best. Lie.

I would guess that Shell paid him a lot of money to publish this piece of dangerous fossil fuel wishful thinking: http://www.climatebiz.com/news/2003/07/23/rmi-and-shell-explore-stackless-refinery">RMI and Shell Explore the 'Stackless Refinery' It's five fucking years later. That's more than 125 billion tons of carbon dioxide dumped in the atmosphere, much of it by Shell Oil. That's more than 5 million dead from air pollution.

How come our RMI paid off clerks on this website can't show us ONE smokeless refinery anywhere on earth?

How come?

Lovins is a digusting paid off apologist for the consumer life style and I have absolute moral disgust at him and all of his apologists. His apologists remind me of the members of the Ayn Rand cult, Rand being another glib stupid and evil person with a befuddled quasi-religious crank philosophy.

Now for the personal business: You make a lot of wild accusations about my motivations. I have no idea of who you are or who pays you, and am only aware of the indifferent drivel written here.

I don't want to know you, although I feel an absolute right to drive big giant dangerous fossil fuel powered trucks through the obvious holes in your thinking. The chance that you will know me is the same as the chance that Shell Oil will actually build a fantasy stackless refinery: Zero.

You say that "NNadir is the nuclear industry," although I have offered you no place in my life, although - as far as I can tell - you've never met me, my family, seen my financial statements or, for that matter, been able to comprehend a single word of what I've written here.

If I were in the nuclear industry, I would be proud of it. In fact, right now I am in the library working on nuclear energy, but thus far, to my regret, it's unpaid work. I'll let you know when that changes, not that, from what I can tell, you seem to be capable of understanding - being a Lovins admirer - what ethical work is.

Still and again, I don't know you, except for what I read. Nevertheless, based on what I read, and nothing else, I suspect that your claim that no one can do something for a reason other than money derives from the fact that you are a blank materialist and have no desire or ability to grasp a moral position.

Have a nice day.


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