No hydrinos here boss...

[HysteryDiagnosis]

More quackery at link:

http://www.villagevoice.com/2002-12-10/news/eureka/1

Marchese says he remains agnostic about the existence of hydrinos, and Mills’s paper doesn’t mention them, either. Rather, the report simply notes that these high-energy plasmas are created only with the company’s catalysts. Hydrino theory has been blasted as a crackpot idea, and a member of the Hydrino Study Group once wrote a comprehensive refutation of Mills' ideas in Skeptic Magazine. Astrophysicist Aaron Barth cited "errors in Mills— work which render the hydrino idea meaningless as a physical theory." He also pointed out that Mills has given sloppy attribution for lengthy passages of standard physics background in endnotes rather than footnotes.

Marchese says BlackLight’s experiments wouldn’t be difficult for a serious lab to reproduce. "I have not been one to explore anything beyond the fringes of science until this point in my career, and I may never do it again," says Marchese, 35, who got a $75,000 grant from NIAC to conduct the initial six-month investigation. The funding was mocked by Robert Park of the American Physical Society, best known as a debunker of what he terms “voodoo science,” as soon as it was announced. NIAC and Marchese proceeded anyway.

"I was there quite a bit and really looked around, kicked the tires, talked at length with their engineers, observed their experiments, and did my own," Marchese says. "I'm really pretty confident as I'm ever going to be that there's no fudging going on. For me to not continue with this study would be unethical to the scientific community. The only reason not to pursue this would be because of being afraid of being bullied."

Viccaro of Applied Physics knows the feeling. He says publication of the paper shouldn’t be read as an embrace of hydrino theory. "I guess we are sticking our necks out, but I can't just reject it because I have some preconditioned thinking about it,” Viccaro says. “He made it through fair and square—he answered all the questions."

[bik0]

1. The link is to an article from 2002

[bhikkhu]

2. For anyone wondering what that's all about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacklight_Power

Its a pretty good run-down. On the other hand, sometimes it seems as hard to get any value out of reading about random cockeyed GUT's as it is to produce the "free energy" they so often predict.

[froarty]

3. Hydrino unreal but heat is Not!

picodeuterium, hydrinos, relativistic hydrogen are all just theories applied toward understanding the excess heat reports dating back for decades. Investigators need to keep an open mind toward the Naudts suggestion that fractional hydrogen is relativistic. It is very unlikely that LENR and the Black Light process are unrelated and if Naudts is correct you will never ever see a hydrino outside the cavity. My point is that skeptics who point to the hydride byproducts must consider that they are only looking at the “destructive” ash as thermal runaway starts causing reactions with the cavity wall to nullify the Casimir force –The real actors in this play are just gas atoms experiencing equivalent acceleration due to Casimir effect. They react with each other WITHOUT BYPRODUCT trading acceleration to break molecular bonds and then recombining. There is a window where nature’s desire for diatomic states is balanced against high mobility atoms in a rigid cavity allowing them to oscillate between diatomic and monatomic with changes in plate spacing. The negative energy comes from the Casimir plates creating differential accelerations proportional to plate spacing/ restriction of larger virtual particles reshaping the atom in what Mills correctly calls a non radiative transition -from a 4d perspective the volume never changes only reshapes. The non radiative transitions would continue in either direction except when a molecular bond forms locking the "shapes" of the 2 atoms. When the new molecule moves its' constituent atoms try to transition in opposition to the covalent bond meaning the changing ratio of small to large virtual particles have to "organize" to break the bond- This is the difference we are trying to exploit - virtual particles also known as vacuum fluctuations represent a huge amount of energy that is considered chaotic and always sums to zero in your local frame of reference. It appears now that we may be able to rectify energy by using 2 frames of reference where a non radiative transition is only allowed in 1 direction and then a chemical covalent bond can be used to lock the orbitals and force vacuum fluctuations to contribute energy to break the bond. Nature then prefers the atoms rebond give off a photon and start the cycle over. this cascade should eventually push the atom out of the cavity and may explain the balmer shift of Black Light Plasma due to relativity.

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/blog/7200-new-study-confirms-anamolus-effects-pd-powders-hydrogen-isotopes-28697.html

http://www.byzipp.com/hydrino/

[HysteryDiagnosis]

4. Welcome to DU and boy you did it now..... they will be upon you

with torches and pitchforks soon enough. In the meantime.... again welcome and do take a gander at this if you will..

http://www.mikamar.biz/book-info/teu-a.htm


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[bhikkhu]

5. The Blacklight project is actually pretty interesting

..but I think they last thing they would want is to be associated with previous "excess heat" reports. As far as cold fusion, all that I've read indicates sloppy lab work and wishful thinking, nothing more. Essentially, no cold fusion claim has been reproducible independently, which is a fancy way of saying they were all bogus.

I'm dissatisfied enough with the Standard Model (however perfectly it agrees with experiment) to keep an open mind on an alternative, though I don't know anywhere near enough of the math to say whether one claim or other has more merit. The last significant article I read was by Kunze, indicating that Mill's was misreading his spectrographic data and that there were no actual low-energy or fractional quantum-energy states produced in his experiments. That's the sort of research mistake that would be typical of the field, usually quickly corrected by peer review.

[froarty]

6. they all exploit casimir effect

Black Light originally distanced themselves from previous reports of excess heat heat and cold fusion due to public opinion which by the way is changing rapidly to recognize the work of P&F as legitimate. I agree with Kunze that the hydino is not sub ground state and the spectroscopic results are wrong but not for the reasons that Kunze assumes. Jan Naudts is the only one who seems to have a clue how the hydrino could actually exist without violating the ground state which also happens to provide an escape clause for the conservation of energy regarding the excess heat. Researchers have to keep an open mind toward accumulated (equivalent) relativistic effects at the mesoscopic scale. When they talk about relativistic effects at this scale they are normally referring to single body or several body relativistic equations but when Naudts, and later Bourgoin, suggested the hydrino could be explained as a relativistic effect they must have been referring to a quantum effect - they consummated this definition by using full integer equations normally reserved for photons to represent 1/2 spin electrons. Photons can occupy the same spatial coordinates but electrons can only be fooled into occupying the same coordinates from a relativistic perspective requiring different inertial frames (think twin paradox and luminal velocities). The use of these equations therefore dictates they only apply to electrons in different inertial frames. In the twin paradox this can be accomplished equivalently, The twin in the rocket ship doesn't have to approach luminal velocity, instead he can park his space ship on a super gravitational dead star and be at that gravitational acceleration compared to his twin at 9.8 m/s^2 here on earth.(too bad he gets crushed down to a pebble but I needed to make my equivalence point). Casimir cavities are present in Mill's Rayney Nickel pores (which are near peak Casimir geometry < 10 nm avg), present in SPAWARS dual deposition cathodes form them on surface geometry and present between the grains of Arata's nano Pd powders, they may even be formed in the flattened menisci of sonoluminescence bubbles which also produce the odd spectrum plasma. My point is these Casimir plates are to a single gas atom much like the dead star is to our gravity crushed twin, providing equivalent acceleration to the relatively stationary occupants of the cavity between the Casimir plates. To be accurate the Casimir cavity is said to provide negative energy, decelerating the atoms relative to our reference such that we outside the cavity are equivalent to the twin in the fast moving space ship and the hydrogen inside the cavity equals the earth bound twin. Unlike the astronomical example of the twin paradox the Casimir plates represent an abrupt break in gravitational isotropy and the interior is shielded from energy by virtue of restricting the number of large virtual particles that can fit between the plates inversely proportional to the cube of the distance (Casimir formula). We don't care that the energy is negative or that this represents a gravitational hill vs the gravitational well in the Twin paradox - We only care about exploiting the absolute difference between 2 energy levels inside and outside of a cavity.

As Mill's correctly surmised the transitions of the hydrino between 137 possible states is non radiative but the reason is because relativity curves space time - The orbital never changes diameter from a local perspective but from another inertial frame appears to reshape as it it curves away from us. Professor Ron Millet uses the coffee cup analogy where the foam at the center of a stirred coffee forms a smaller diameter but as it is stirred faster the vortex grows deeper into the cup. I believe Mills is seeing the hydrino diameter shrink relativistically but the nucleus which is at the bottom of the vortex is being driven deeper into the fabric of time keeping the volume constant so no photon has to be emitted - the energy is unchanged. Likewise the relativistic interpretation of Casimir theory modifies the displacement of longer wavelength vacuum fluctuations by shorter ones to instead a reorientation of the waveform on the time axis allowing the longer fluctuations to still fit between the plates but "appear" faster to us (imagine a sine wave across a scope that pivots in the middle so the left side appears to get smaller and disappear into the screen while the right side gets larger and disappears off the top and bottom as it grows)

The Casimir effect only occurs in conductive material but keep in mind that even resistors have some conduction so I should be clear and say it is most visible in good conductors, The effect that restricts longer wavelength vacuum fluctuations does not occur in insulators it requires material that "mirrors" electromagnetic radiation. Metals have a bond that starts out covalent with several atoms that grow in a "cluster" bond then finally a "metallic" (almost free electron)bond which suggests a slight imbalance that nature is seeking to remedy. I suspect that Casimir geometry is opposing natures desire to remedy this imbalance in favor of "segregation" where the quantum effect of this imbalance is concentrated between the plates /cavity pores reducing the energy and breaking the gravitational isotropy. DiFiore et all sort of researched this in reverse when they tried unsuccessfully to aggregate this effect into a measurable gravitational effect using multiple stacked cavities meaning there was a cancelling force in opposition to their efforts. My proposal is that the segregated "depletion" zone in the cavity has a dispersed "concentration" zone in the plate surfaces that balances the negative energy in the cavity.

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/blog/7200-relativistic-hydrogen-inside-casimir-cavity-appears-have-fractional-quantum-state-external-perspective-25072.html

[bhikkhu]

7. Which is plausible, as far as I can see, but...

the Casimir effect is a more or less anomalous quantum-level phenomenon, of which there are many. Its interesting (at least as far as I can follow the math - which isn't far), but doesn't scale up to any useful energy level.

In my case I can always say there's likely something about it that I don't understand, so its always possible that something somebody else says is true, whether it seems so to me or not. But then the one test is whether it actually works in or out of the lab for anyone. Its relatively simple (relative to particle accelerators and such) to build a device demonstrating the Casimer effect, whether you can do the math that explains it or not, and so it should be relatively simple to build a "Black Light Power" device. If they work and produce usable power we should be seeing a lot of them around very soon.

[froarty]

8. Casimir effect issue isn't scaling

The energy content or scaling is not the issue, The issue is similar to a permanent magnetic field, there is no way to exploit the energy of a magnet to produce excess energy. This is where Naudts proposal that the hydrino is relativistic appears to shine, by creating a relativistic environment the hydrogen atoms are translated to different inertial frames courtesy of the change in vacuum energy. Unlike the homogeneous field of a permanent magnet the Casimir force varies constantly with changes in local plate geometry constantly breaking the isotropy into what Bourgoin's paper confirms are exactly the 137 possible states claimed by Mills (even though Mills did not realize these were relativistic states and still considers the hydrino orbital to be a fractional quantum state). I have an animation under construction which may help but keep in mind this is an early peek without narration or some final scenes regarding Putoffs model of the atom. http://www.byzipp.com/scenic.swf Also published new OpEd "Will 2010 be the Year of Zero Point Energy?" http://www.opednews.com/articles/Will-2010-be-the-year-of-Z-by-fran-roarty-100110-819.html