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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 10:13 AM
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Just 1 Problem With Monckton's Non-Peer Reviewed Climate "Theory" - If True, Ice Ages Didn't Happen
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The theory relies on some superficially impressive mathematics. Though climate scientists immediately debunked his hypothesis when it was published in 2008, Lord Monckton is still the most prominent intellectual spokesman for the climate-change sceptic movement. He is set to arrive in Australia next week on a speaking tour with the support of a group of business people, including the mining heiress Gina Rinehart. He has offered to give the Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, a tutorial in climate science.

''The scientifically illiterate, economically innumerate policies that you advocate - however fashionable you may conceive them to be - are killing people by the million,'' he wrote in an open letter to Mr Rudd this month. The crux of Lord Monckton's complaint is that the world's climate is nowhere near as sensitive to greenhouse gases as climate scientists believe. The thousands of researchers who have worked on the problem since the 1890s have all been getting their maths wrong, he believes. It is a bold thesis because climate sensitivity is the keystone to our understanding of global warming.

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The argument Lord Monckton mounted has been painstakingly picked apart by several eminent climate-change researchers, but it was an Australian computer scientist, Tim Lambert, who helped collate many of the flaws on his website. ''A lot of the equations used to cover it up were right, but the argument was complete gibberish,'' Mr Lambert said. The hypothesis took the lowest possible range of carbon dioxide's known warming effect on climate, multiplied it by the lowest possible effect of the various feedbacks that amplify the warming effect, to give a figure well below that shown by any observation. One of the implications of the hypothesis was that, given what we know about climate, there could not have been ice ages in the past.

''The hypothesis is completely inconsistent with the observations,'' said Professor Matthew England, the co-director of the Climate Change Research Centre at the University of NSW. ''In science, the world isn't wrong so the calculations must be wrong.''

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http://www.theage.com.au/environment/puzzle-me-this-climate-change-theory-allows-no-ice-age-20100115-mcgx.html
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 11:23 AM
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1. So, if there were no ice ages,
how do they explain how this was made?

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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 01:02 PM
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3. Graben
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 01:31 PM
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4. That must have been one hell of a quake.
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 02:41 PM
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5. If the deniers can believe there was no ice age, they'll believe anything.
Edited on Fri Jan-15-10 02:45 PM by Viking12
It's a requisite characteristic to be a denier -- you have to believe all sorts of extraordinary nonsense to cling to that position.

In addition, the theory that Yosemite Valley was formed by glaciers originated with John Muir -- since he was one of those evil commie 'environmentalists' it's just another reason to accept that to reject the ice age idea.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 11:41 AM
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2. Why do nearly all skeptics have a money trail leading to geology?
"Earth science is the foundation of our industry. Your expertise as a geologist or geophysicist is essential to unlocking the earth’s vital stores of energy. Chevron earth scientists collaborate with talented colleagues around the world to find cleaner, smarter ways to power the world."

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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 04:17 PM
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6. K&R
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