Solar panel project would cover 70 acres of landfill in North Arlington and Kearny (NJ)

[OKIsItJustMe]

http://www.northjersey.com/news/bergen/85453352_Solar_project_set_for_landfill.html

Solar panel project would cover 70 acres of landfill in North Arlington and Kearny

Friday, February 26, 2010
BY SCOTT FALLON
The Record
STAFF WRITER

PSE&G, under a deal being worked out with the state Meadowlands Commission, will build a massive solar project on a defunct landfill straddling North Arlington and Kearny that could power about 3,400 homes, officials said Wednesday.

The 20-megawatt display will cover as much as 70 acres of the 1-E Landfill, which closed in 2008 after reaching capacity. The utility will pay the commission $1 million annually to lease the land and will sell the electricity generated from it into the power grid.

It is by far the largest solar project proposed for the region’s closed landfills, which includes plans for a 1.4-megawatt display at the Erie Landfill in North Arlington and a 3-megawatt system at the 1-A Landfill in Kearny.

The commission approved a resolution Wednesday to negotiate a memorandum of understanding with PSE&G. The utility still needs to get approval from the state Board of Public Utilities for the project.

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[upi402]

1. Thanks for this post

Highest efficiency, and from in-house manu. plant on your other thread too! Good, now couple it with more wind turbines and we're golden for any kind of weather.

[OKIsItJustMe]

2. You're welcome

New Jersey's actually doing a pretty good job of installing solar...

[NNadir]

3. And right now, snow would cover the 70 acres of solar panels.

However the landfill is an appropriate place for it. They won't have to move it very far when it all fails and becomes electronic waste.

[cornermouse]

4. Unlikely.

Based on personal experience with the homemade solar panels that we had, the angle they sit at doesn't allow for them to be covered by snow and what little snow that accumulates at the bottom is quickly melted by heat being generated by the panels.

[NNadir]

5. Oh bull. Here on line is the output of the ANGLED solar panels at MOCA this month.

Ready? The last column is the energy in kwh for the "51 kw" system. (A dangerous natural gas plant producing energy at 100% capacity utilization at 51 kw would produce 51 * 24 = 1224 kwh.)

http://www.sunviewer.net/portals/MoCA/

http://www.sunviewer.net/cgi-bin/viewdata.cgi

160 2010-02-01 00:00:00 179.000
160 2010-02-02 00:00:00 73.000
160 2010-02-03 00:00:00 5.000
160 2010-02-04 00:00:00 191.000
160 2010-02-05 00:00:00 99.000
160 2010-02-06 00:00:00 132.000
160 2010-02-07 00:00:00 173.000
160 2010-02-08 00:00:00 96.000
160 2010-02-09 00:00:00 177.000
160 2010-02-10 00:00:00 27.000
160 2010-02-11 00:00:00 149.000
160 2010-02-12 00:00:00 210.000
160 2010-02-13 00:00:00 127.000
160 2010-02-14 00:00:00 51.000
160 2010-02-15 00:00:00 45.000
160 2010-02-16 00:00:00 0.000
160 2010-02-17 00:00:00 1.000
160 2010-02-18 00:00:00 18.000
160 2010-02-19 00:00:00 23.000
160 2010-02-20 00:00:00 28.000
160 2010-02-21 00:00:00 130.000
160 2010-02-22 00:00:00 182.000
160 2010-02-23 00:00:00 10.000
160 2010-02-24 00:00:00 0.000
160 2010-02-25 00:00:00 2.000
160 2010-02-26 00:00:00 0.000

Do you see those zeros on the bottom?

The solar scam is a fraud and relies on deliberate deception through abuse of numbers and hand waving.

[BeFree]

9. zeroes!! OMG!!

Good one nukenadir, just between you and me, it's a good thing no one
has a list of the nuke plants that are also showing zeroes. Eh?

[jpak]

15. Here is the current electrical productiion data from the Maine Yankee nuclear plant

0

:rofl:

[BeFree]

17. Must be snowed in, eh?

[Statistical]

6. Heat being generated by PV enough to melt snow?

Not unless the PV panel caught fire.

[OKIsItJustMe]

7. So... cornermouse is lying?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/06/tech/cnettechnews/main4780921.shtml

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The output was a measly 140 watts - about one tenth of what they would be producing on a sunny winter morning. All those perfectly good photons blocked by 5 inches of fluffy powder!

...

When I mentioned what the rake was for, the guy at the hardware store cleverly recommended I attach a squeegee-like strip on the bottom so I didn't risk damaging the expensive panels.

My roof rake allows me to reach about 20 feet up. In practice, that means I can only clean off the bottom of the panels; the ones near the roof ridge remain stubbornly beyond my reach. (Be careful of mini avalanches if you try this.)

If Wednesday's experiment is any indication, clearing off just a little on a sunny day is a lot better than doing nothing. With some of the panels exposed, the current starts to flow, creating some heat on the panels' surface and melting the snow. So within a few hours, much of the snow melted, apparently from the heat of the sun and the panels themselves.

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[Statistical]

8. "melted apparently from the heat of the sun and the panels themselves"

Panels get warm when exposed to sun just like the singles on your roof get warm. There isn't any magical internal heat. Sunlight carries energy. When sunlight strikes something that energy is converted into heat. It is why you feel warm standing in sunlight.

Snow is white and thus reflects majority of sunlight taking a very long time to melt.. So snow covering a panel isn't going to melt any faster than snow covering your roof does.

[OKIsItJustMe]

10. The author claims that once his panels were partially uncovered the rest of the snow cover melted

This is exactly what cornermouse said.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=233080&mesg_id=233087

Based on personal experience with the homemade solar panels that we had, the angle they sit at doesn't allow for them to be covered by snow and what little snow that accumulates at the bottom is quickly melted by heat being generated by the panels.

[cornermouse]

11. You're right passive solar is a lie. It must be because wikipedia says so...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_solar_building_design
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_water_heating
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[jpak]

16. LOL! PV panels are black or a dark blue - they absorb heat and melt snow - just like shingles

also - snow transmits light - anyone that ever built a snow fort knows that...

:rofl:

[joshcryer]

12. Or the albedo is changed even marginally.

Snow on a roof melts as soon as part of it becomes exposed. Usually the top of the roof. This causes a cascade effect and at least here in Colorado, the worst of snow storms leave little evidence after a few days.

Except for maybe the gravel / salt on the roads.

[kestrel91316]

21. You must not live where it snows, because LOTS of surfaces get warm enough

from the snow to keep it melted off.

[tinrobot]

13. Like this?

[kestrel91316]

22. That's so bogus. It's obviously photoshopped!!1!!!11111

[jpak]

14. This project will generate more electricity than the NJ molten salt breeder reactor

in its first minute of operation.

The NJ molten salt breeder reactor being, of course, a laughable fraud.

:rofl:

[wtmusic]

18. Nonsense, a 20.1MW heating and cleaning system will keep the array clear

year 'round. Ya think they didn't um, think of that? :shrug:

[Dover]

19. I would like to see this country get away from centralized energy utilities

and become as localized as possible so that there is more energy independence. And that includes solar or any energy infrastructure.
I realize that in some cases it may be necessary, however.

[kestrel91316]

20. Uh, they need to cap the landfill to capture methane and use IT to generate

electricity, too, while they're at it. And put a few wind turbines there, too, if it's breezy there. Sort of a "swords-into-plowshares" thing.......

[tinrobot]

23. Great ideas...

[kristopher]

24. It is worth noting that US has 60,000^2 km of brownfield sites available for renewable development