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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 02:28 PM Original message |
Why is the Cato Institute suddenly reading out of Amory Lovins' playbook? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. Two words: natural gas. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. Says Ron Adams "friend" of the Nuclear Energy Insitute |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. The Cato Institute is against nuclear power "welfare" but pro-nat gas welfare. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Show me where that is their position. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:46 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Ignores Natural Gas Subsidies |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. That is nothing more than another blogger making the same unsupported claim |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. They don't bash the subsidies that natural gas receives. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Unless your next post is a quote from Cato supporting natural gas subsidies... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. I didn't even mention Lovins. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. You didn't support your false assertion regarding Cato supporting natural gas subsidies |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Cato is against natural gas subsidies? Got a cite for that? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Cato is against all subsidies for anything. That puts the burden on you - still. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Cato would not consider tax breaks subsidies, then. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. For example, they don't even believe oil gets subsidies: |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Do you know how to read? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. The largest subsidy for oil and gas is through tax breaks. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:07 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Here's how they apply their metric for subsidies, kristopher: |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Here's how progressives calculate subsidies: |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Direct link to MongaBay paper: |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. More on Cato's position on subsidies and oil: |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. You're kidding - a libertarian that is antitax? WTF? |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Rod Adams has turned into an internet kook |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 08:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
25. It's ROD Adams. I personally know him and have met him. He's a BRIGHT guy, hardly a lightweight |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 08:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Like i said... |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:08 AM Response to Reply #26 |
43. Actually, Rod is an officer in the United States Navy. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 12:24 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Adams is a dickhead. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-08-10 09:11 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Usually in my experience, this type of characterization is often made by ignorant people in... |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
6. Is anyone surprised? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Yeah, these are guys who believe in pocket nuclear bombs for self-defense. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
8. "Suddenly" ???? BWAHAHAHA - They've ALWAYS known nuclear is uneconomic!!! |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Here is another from 1992 |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Good find - here's one from 2003 |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Only on E&E will DU'ers cite fucking Cato Institute favorably. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Rod Adams and wtmusic don't know what they're talking about and are making stuff up |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I don't care about the spurious Lovins connection that is being attempted here. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:47 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. What the fuck are you talking about? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I should have been clearer. Being economically aligned with CI makes you, imo, not progressive. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. "economically aligned" ??? Because we agree how expensive it is? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Because you place the markets over government subsidies. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. No, I don't place the markets over government subsidies. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. None have been built and your "cost projectsions" are made up nonsense. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:47 AM Response to Reply #30 |
47. Nope. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. There is no ideological alignment |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 07:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. "Objective facts" I've found is outright dishonesty. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Dishonesty from the nuclear industry. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-07-10 09:50 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. List of dishonest positions I've heard here: |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-09-10 12:45 AM Response to Reply #33 |
46. Wow - you've listed a lot of dishonest things you've heard from nuclear proponents |
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