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profgoose
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Fri Apr-16-10 10:07 AM Original message |
The Future of Capitalism - Profits and Growth |
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FBaggins
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Fri Apr-16-10 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
1. Mobus' straw man is simply wrong. |
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Nederland
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Fri Apr-16-10 10:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Agreed |
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Terry in Austin
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Sat Apr-17-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. No counter-argument? |
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FBaggins
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Sat Apr-17-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. That's the Burden of proof fallacy |
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bhikkhu
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Sat Apr-17-10 11:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. kind of like saying "its flat wrong" without anything to back it |
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FBaggins
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Sun Apr-18-10 10:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. If that were true, you wouldn't be able to post that, would you? |
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skids
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Sun Apr-18-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Efficiency is the obvious counter-argument. |
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joshcryer
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Mon Apr-19-10 05:52 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Efficiency is not infinite. |
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FBaggins
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Mon Apr-19-10 08:12 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Nor does it have to be. |
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skids
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Mon Apr-19-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Well, a few things... |
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h9socialist
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Fri Apr-16-10 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
3. Capitalism . . . is going to die! |
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kristopher
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Fri Apr-16-10 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
4. Jared Diamond - Will Big Business Save the Earth? |
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pscot
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Fri Apr-16-10 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
5. The idea that growth is a function of energy input |
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Statistical
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Fri Apr-16-10 07:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Producitivity increases? Efficiency increases? |
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pscot
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Fri Apr-16-10 09:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Is global economic growth |
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joshcryer
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Sat Apr-17-10 12:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Even the best case renewable scenarios save some 5 TW by 2030. But only 1 TW from now. |
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kristopher
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Sat Apr-17-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. How would you characterize the switch to EVs? |
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pscot
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Sat Apr-17-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Since I have yet to see anyone driving an EV |
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kristopher
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Sat Apr-17-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Well, since you can't admit the obvious... |
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joshcryer
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Sat Apr-17-10 04:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. I'd rather admit the obvious, that capitalism has no desire to pay for the externalized costs of... |
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NickB79
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Sun Apr-18-10 06:22 AM Response to Reply #13 |
25. And when you try to give 2 billion Chinese and Indians a standard of living closer to that of the US |
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kristopher
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Sun Apr-18-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Energy intensity is the measure that disproves the OP's thesis. |
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joshcryer
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Mon Apr-19-10 03:59 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Oh fuck "energy intensity" which is just another way to say "business as usual." |
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kristopher
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Mon Apr-19-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. "China's energy intensity propaganda"? |
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joshcryer
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Tue Apr-20-10 01:06 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Oh, so you're suggesting that China's Cop15 arrangement will avoid catastrophic climate change? |
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kristopher
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Mon Apr-19-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #25 |
33. You might want to ensure you have the right picture in your mind... |
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joshcryer
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Sat Apr-17-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. EVs could bring our energy utilization down, however, with an increased standard of living... |
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joshcryer
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Sat Apr-17-10 04:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Even if the switch to EVs occurred at a rapid pace, the planet is still on a path of increased... |
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joshcryer
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Fri Apr-16-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Energy and productivity efficiencies can flatline energy use in a growing system... |
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Terry in Austin
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Sat Apr-17-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Growth implies increase of some kind |
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joshcryer
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Sat Apr-17-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. There are a crapload of efficiency gains to be made of course. |
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pscot
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Sat Apr-17-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. I think that's the point I was making above |
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FBaggins
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Sat Apr-17-10 07:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
23. Hubert didn't talk about total energy. |
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BeFree
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Sat Apr-17-10 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
11. Grow or Die |
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bananas
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Sat Apr-17-10 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
14. Interesting comment by WebHubbleTelescope |
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