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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 04:43 PM
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Don’t like the climate? Move to Fargo, says author of ‘Climatopolis’
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Don’t like the climate? Move to Fargo, says author of ‘Climatopolis’
by Jonathan Hiskes

16 Sep 2010 12:21 PM


Matthew Kahn, professor at the UCLA Institute of the Environment, the Department of Economics, and the Department of Public Policy.UCLA environmental economist Matthew Kahn has a knack for unusual research. He found that Google searches for "global warming" decrease when unemployment rises, ranked the 435 members of the U.S. House from greenest to brownest, and discovered that the decline of manufacturing in Rust Belt cities like Pittsburgh led to improved air quality, which in turn attracted skilled workers and contributed to an economic renaissance.

His new book, Climatopolis: How Our Cities Will Thrive in the Hotter Future, argues that while it's too late to avoid the major effects of global warming, that's OK because most people will simply move to places that are effectively adapting to the changes. And here we'd been so worried! Kahn, a University of Chicago graduate, takes the school's free-market tradition to an extreme, arguing that rational agents in a market economy will simply "vote with their feet" and make winners out of the cities that are most able to innovate and attract new residents. It's a provocative argument, to say the least.

Kahn came by the Grist office for a chat during a book-tour stop in Seattle.

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Q. Your book argues that we're probably unable to stop significant climate change, but that most people will adapt and be just fine. How did your research lead you to that conclusion?

A. There are three lines of research behind my optimism. One is our ability to form expectations of the future. There's a literature in economics on our ability to anticipate future problems and invest beforehand to reduce our exposure to them. The second piece is literature on innovation: When even just a few of us anticipate coming days of scarcity, that creates huge economic opportunities to seize the day.

The third piece of my optimism is our past predilection to vote with our feet. If a city goes to hell in terms of high crime, people move to some other area. Landowners in that area suffer a land value loss. Politicians of that area are suddenly in control of a worthless area. When Detroit lost its jobs, people moved away and stopped moving there. Climate change will lower quality of life in certain cities, and that will induce migration, but also innovation.

Q. Your book describes the Mariel boatlift of Cubans moving to Miami. Why is that a useful example?

A. Back in Jimmy Carter's day, a very large number of Cubans showed up unexpectedly in Miami with no warning ahead of time that they were coming. This raised rents and lowered wages. Economists documented that residents in Miami started to migrate to other cities such as Atlanta, so that, in the medium term, wages and rents quickly went back to where they originally were.

If the people of Miami had been tipped off that the boatlift was coming, people who had been on the verge of moving away would have left earlier and there wouldn't have even been short-term disruption. The difference between climate change and the Mariel boatlift was the Mariel boatlift was unexpected. There was no equivalent of climate scientists sounding the alarm.

Q. What kind of places are going to do the best and the worst as the climate changes?

A. I would not be buying land in Las Vegas or Phoenix right now. I think that Seattle will compete much better in the hotter future.

In Manhattan and New York City, there's ongoing talk about the potential of sea-level rise caused by climate change. An optimist would say you move Wall Street to Greenwich, Conn. But if there's abrupt climate change, then you can't really be optimistic.

So an implicit assumption in the book is that climate change will occur gradually. I'm not a climate scientist, but you have to have quite an accelerated model to believe we could wake up tomorrow and be in completely different climate conditions than we are today. We can expect a continuity to sea-level rise and temperature spikes. .............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.grist.org/article/2010-09-16-climatopolis-matthew-kahn-migration-climate-displacement/




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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 04:48 PM
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1. What if you're already in Fargo? nt
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 04:49 PM
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3. Move to Kelowna, maybe?
:)
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OnlinePoker Donating Member (837 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 11:31 AM
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17. You've obviously never spent a summer in Kelowna. Frigging hot and dry. n/t
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 04:49 PM
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2. Sure, I love Fargo in the winter!
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 04:49 PM
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4. Wow . . . I just became stupider reading even that brief excerpt . . .
Danger! Do not read! Warning! Do not mentally process author's beliefs!
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 04:55 PM
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7. good
I thought I was the only one who lost brain cells reading that

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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 05:05 PM
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9. Dammit. Too late.
Duh.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 09:48 PM
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12. I particularly liked the bit about "voting with your feet' - kind of like all those Pakistanis now!
A few more floods and they'll just vote with their feet and move to the prosperous cities of Bangalore and Bombay!

Or they'll summon their innovative, unquenchable human spirit and start farming in the rich, loamy and well-watered topsoil of Baluchistan!

Hell, maybe they'll just cross the Iranian border and convert the Dasht-I-Lut into a thriving nexus of global high-tech and value-added organic agriculture!

The sky's the limit, I tell you!
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 11:10 AM
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16. Typical misuse of economic analysis
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 04:07 PM
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18. My money's on a new silicon valley around Bad Swat
Might be worth checking out if there's a Starbucks there yet.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 07:44 PM
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20. And I'm sure human waves of climate refugees, er I mean climate entrepreneurs
Will be warmly greeted by the indigenous populations that already inhabit the area, who will gladly share their land, water and food with them as we all sit around campfires, sing songs, and roast the bodies of our children to stave off starvation.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 04:50 PM
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5. I hate that idiots like that are taken seriously. Nt
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 04:52 PM
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6. Fargo, a place to park.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 04:58 PM
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8. Oh, you betcha, yah!
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 10:58 AM
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15. I have one question for you...
Edited on Fri Sep-17-10 10:58 AM by geardaddy
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 05:14 PM
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10. Well, there's a book I'll be sure to skip
Too much guesswork based on too few facts and by the way, has he checked out what winters in Fargo are like?
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 05:51 PM
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11. red river... blah blah... flooding blah blah... record levels twice within a decade.....nevermind.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 09:55 PM
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14. I'm sick of throwing sandbags.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 09:53 PM
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13. I'm already here!
:evilgrin:
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Terry in Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 04:24 PM
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19. Geez, that's like 100 miles north of the North Pole, right?
Gotta admit, the logic of the piece is pretty straightforward: "Getting too hot for ya? Go someplace real cold and freeze yer tush - you'll thank me for it later."

But "compete much better in the hotter future"!? WTF? Is that even an issue at that point?

:holds bridge of nose, shakes head slowly:

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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 09:19 PM
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21. It is probably too late to reverse climate change...
and it may be better to prepare to adapt.
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