Green party rides Germany's anti-nuclear wave

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http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,6197424,00.html

The Greens have soared in popularity this year, boosted by mounting support for the anti-nuclear movement. Now a key party official is eyeing Berlin's prestigious mayor's office.

The Green Party has reached a new all-time high in popularity. Support for Germany's Green Party has risen to a record 22 percent, according to a poll by public broadcaster ARD.

The party's popularity has been boosted by mounting public support for the anti-nuclear movement, which found united in opposition to Chancellor Angela Merkel's push to prolong the life span of the country's 17 nuclear power plants. In September, thousands of demonstrators took to the streets of Berlin to protest the legislation.

The Green party did not succeed in blocking the extension of the nuclear reactor lifespans, but that has not put a damper the party's ambitions.

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1. It wouldn't want to argue with dw-world, but

the German Green Party was on the rise again before the extension became a fresh issue, though it's obvious they they have benefited by 61% opposition to the extension.

The Greens are also strongly pro-labor, pro-social support, and have also benefited from CDU/Merkel's conundrum over immigration issues.

Just as a ball-park reference, I'd place the Greens about two ticks left of the average DUer, as if there could be such a thing.

This also gives a lie to the claim in the US by the NY Times and others that Germany is turning right. They wish.

[NNadir]

2. Probably. just like last time out, they're funded by Gazprom.

They couldn't care less that they've engineered the second highest electricity prices in Europe, just after Denmark's, nor that they are just making the world safe for gas and coal interests.

Like most "greens" who care not a whit for the environment, they're unfamiliar with the contents of a science book.

Every rational country has moved past this dumb idea, Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy and now even Norway is making noise about using its thorium.

If the anti-nukes rule Germany, the only result will be its impoverishment.

[kristopher]

3. Actually you are probably the most scientifically illiterate person I've ever encountered.

Science is the pursuit of the truth, not the misuse of information in an attempt to deceive people.

With that in mind perhaps you could explain your actions below where you fabricated an allegation about the wind turbine company Vestas. I ask because it is remarkably similar to your claim that the Green Party is funded by Gazprom. The conclusion of the post below is correct - you have no shame.

No reputable person with a respect for science would have anything to do with someone with your obvious ethical challenges.

Posted by NNadir on Sat Oct-16-10 09:29 PM
Vestas calls itself in its company reports, the Vestas OIL, GAS and WIND company.

Vestas, OIL, GAS and wind company.

They know what they are, even if mathematically illiterate purveyors of self delusion and indifference don't.

It's notable that this piece of shit dangerous fossil fuel company suffered huge losses in the middle of the decade for being required to meet five year warranties on their worthless hunks of metal.

Their "solution" to this problem with their reliability did not lead them to improve the crappy gearboxes on their subsidized garbage, but rather to reduce the warranty period from five years to two years.

It is interesting to note that the most transparently dishonest people are the first to accuse others of dishonesty.

Have a nice day.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=261737&mesg_id=262014


But someone actually took the time to read your garbage:

Posted by muriel_volestrangler on Sun Oct-17-10 06:17 AM
They were never in fossil fuel, they started in engineering

NNadir was talking a load of complete bollocks about 'oil and gas'.

# 1898 - Vestas founded by H.S. Hansen, a blacksmith, in the small town of Lem in Denmark. He and his son, Peder Hansen, manufactured steel windows for industrial buildings.
# 1945 - Peder Hansen established the company VEstjyskSTålteknik A/S, whose name was shortened to Vestas. The new company, which initially made household appliances, started to produce agricultural equipment.
# 1970s - During the second oil crisis, Vestas began to examine the potential of the wind turbine as an alternative source of clean energy.
# 1979 - Vestas delivered the first wind turbines. The industry experienced a genuine boom at the start of the 1980s, but in 1986 Vestas was forced to suspend payments because the market in the United States was destroyed due to the expiration of a special tax legislation that provided advantageous conditions for the establishment of wind turbines.

http://www.vestas.com/en/about-vestas/profile/vestas-brief-history.aspx

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x261737#262053

Posted by muriel_volestrangler on Sun Oct-17-10 06:14 AM
No, you are very, very wrong; they have NEVER been a fossil fuel company

Vestas is a wind turbine company. It does not sell oil or gas. It never has. What it says, in one part of its website, is "Wind, Oil and Gas is Vestas’ vision, which expresses the ambition of making wind an energy source on a par with fossil fuels." So, they want to be as big as the huge oil and gas companies that supply so much of the world's energy. That's where the 'oil and gas' phrase comes from.

I realise that you're hoping no-one will check to see what your link says, because you're counting on them thinking "yet another boring piece of crap from NNadir, why bother looking?", but you are being highly misleading.

It is not a fossil fuel company. Your claim is incorrect, wrong and misleading. You have the gall to accuse others of dishonesty in the same post. You have no shame.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x261737#262052