XPost from a place called "reality." Anti-nuke REWARDED for taking bribes.

[NNadir]

http://www.rmi.org/rmi/Amory+B.+Lovins">Famous Anti-nuke Amory Lovins describes his revenue sources:

Mr. Lovins’s other clients have included Accenture, Allstate, AMD, Anglo American, Anheuser-Busch, Bank of America, Baxter, Borg-Warner, BP, HP Bulmer, Carrier, Chevron, Ciba-Geigy, CLSA, ConocoPhillips, Corning, Dow, Equitable, GM, HP, Invensys, Lockheed Martin, Mitsubishi, Monsanto, Motorola, Norsk Hydro, Petrobras, Prudential, Rio Tinto, Royal Dutch/Shell, Shearson Lehman Amex, STMicroelectronics, Sun Oil, Suncor, Texas Instruments, UBS, Unilever, Westinghouse, Xerox, major developers, and over 100 energy utilities. His public-sector clients have included the OECD, the UN, and RFF; the Australian, Canadian, Dutch, German, and Italian governments; 13 states; Congress, and the U.S. Energy and Defense Departments.

[villager]

1. Because, you know, there's no corruption at all on the pro-nuke side!

n/t

[madokie]

2. Whats the point?

That looks like a list of companies he's helped formulate energy plans

Still pissed that no one will pay you for your wares? :rofl:
I couldn't imagine anyone paying you for anything actually

[NNadir]

5. Yeah, those BP plans worked out real well. Heckuva job. Real Arabian Horse show stuff.

I, um, work. I have never met an anti-nuke who shows any evidence of knowing what that means.

[madokie]

6. And you're saying that to an old

concrete finisher who very much knows what work is and who also knows what bullshit smells like and bro ya got the stench. whew

[NNadir]

7. Yeah right.

Lying around smeared with Indonesian palm oil by the swimming pool contemplating the solar pool light is really, really, really, really a productive enterprise.

Whatever disingenous claims we hear from people who have clearly a weak notion of what "work" is, it would seem that the majority of the people in organized labor didn't get the stupid pill ration:

http://blog.aflcio.org/2010/02/17/union-leaders-praise-obamas-support-for-nuclear-plant/">Union Leaders Praise Obama’s Support for Nuclear Plant

One thing however is certain, there is NOT ONE anti-nuke in this space who has ever opened a science book and been able to comprehend the contents.

[madokie]

8. You do have a problem with reality don't you?

Not one thing you've typed is true. 90% of what you type you take out of context with the other 10% outright bullshit.:boring:
How much of that bottle you got left tonight anyway, you know that shit is going to kill you don't you?

[NNadir]

9. Really? The link from the AFL-CIO website is untrue? And...

I'm a useless hallucinating drunk?

Um, um, um, M'OKay...

Um, I think you're supposed to spread that Coppertone all over the beer belly while contemplating the http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x162865">the solar pool light for, um, what it's worth. The coppertone, um, doesn't go in the glass...

Have a nice evening.

[jpak]

12. Most nuclear utilities also operate coal-fired power plants

More arabian horseshit

:rofl:

[joshcryer]

3. Please. No.

Don't feed the troll.

[kristopher]

4. Context

Amory B. Lovins
Cofounder and CEO of Rocky Mountain Institute

Lovins Amory Lovins, a MacArthur and Ashoka Fellow and consultant physicist, is among the world's leading innovators in energy and its links with resources, security, development, and environment. He has advised the energy and other industries for more than three decades as well as the U.S. Departments of Energy and Defense. His work in 50+ countries has been recognized by the "Alternative Nobel," Blue Planet, Volvo, Onassis, Nissan, Shingo, Goff Smith, and Mitchell Prizes, the Benjamin Franklin and Happold Medals, 11 honorary doctorates, honorary membership of the American Institute of Architects, Foreign Membership of the Royal Swedish Academy of Engineering Sciences, honorary Senior Fellowship of the Design Futures Council, and the Heinz, Lindbergh, Jean Meyer, Time Hero for the Planet, Time International Hero of the Environment, Popular Mechanics Breakthrough Leadership, National Design (Design Mind), and World Technology Awards. A Harvard and Oxford dropout and former Oxford don, he has briefed 20 heads of state and advises major firms and governments worldwide, recently including the leadership of Coca-Cola, Deutsche Bank, Ford, Holcim, Interface, and Wal-Mart. In 2009, Time named him one of the 100 most influential people in the world, and Foreign Policy, one of the 100 top global thinkers.

Mr. Lovins cofounded and is Chairman and Chief Scientist of Rocky Mountain Institute (www.rmi.org), an independent, market-oriented, entrepreneurial, nonprofit, nonpartisan think-and-do tank that creates abundance by design. Much of its pathfinding work on advanced resource productivity (typically with expanding returns to investment) and innovative business strategies is synthesized in Natural Capitalism (1999, with Paul Hawken and L.H. Lovins, www.natcap.org). This intellectual capital provides most of RMI's revenue through private-sector consultancy that has served or been invited by more than 80 Fortune 500 firms, lately redesigning more than $30 billion worth of facilities in 29 sectors. In 1992, RMI spun off E SOURCE (www.esource.com), and in 1999, Fiberforge Corporation (www.fiberforge.com), a composites technology firm that Mr. Lovins chaired until 2007; its technology, when matured and scaled, will permit cost- effective manufacturing of the ultralight-hybrid Hypercar® vehicles he invented in 1991.

The latest of his 29 books are Small Is Profitable: The Hidden Economic Benefits of Making Electrical Resources the Right Size (2002, www.smallisprofitable.org), an Economist book of the year blending financial economics with electrical engineering, and the Pentagon-cosponsored Winning the Oil Endgame (2004, www.oilendgame.com), a roadmap for eliminating U.S. oil use by the 2040s, led by business for profit. His most recent visiting academic chair was in spring 2007 as MAP/Ming Professor in Stanford's School of Engineering, offering the University's first course on advanced energy efficiency (www.rmi.org/stanford).

http://www.oilendgame.com/TheAuthors.html

Some samples of why the nuclear industry is not fond of Lovins

http://www.rmi.org/rmi/Library/E77-01_EnergyStrategyRoadNotTaken
http://www.rmi.org/rmi/Library/E08-01_NuclearIllusion
http://www.rmi.org/rmi/Library/E09-01_NuclearPowerClimateFixOrFolly

[NNadir]

10. Um, "private-sector consultancy?" You mean, um, Walmart and BP?

Thanks for the QED.

Someone ought to do a tax audit on his "non-profit," status. It seems that they pay a lot of money to the CEO so he can tool around to his http://nyc.theoildrum.com/node/2902">car dependent office and return to his swell McMansion in the wealthy resort town of Snowmass, Colorado.

His 1991 "invention" of the hydrogen HYPErcar has proved as prescient and as useful as his 1980 prediction of the immanent death of nuclear power, even though nuclear production seems to have quadrupled since then, from about 7 exajoules of primary energy to approximately 30 today - all this while oil, gas and coal funded anti-nukes have been widely disseminating their delusions about the work of Fermi, Wigner, Bethe, Seaborg et al.

I'm sure though that you drive a wind and solar powered hydrogen HYPErcar, or was it a Ford 150 pickup?

Um, does your hydrogen HYPERcar look like this?



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/12/photogalleries/top_ten_pictures/photo6.html4

How is it that I think this boy isn't driving to RMI's unwalkable offices in Aspen from his McMansion in Snowmass?

Have a nice day.

[jpak]

13. X-post from *reality* The NJ molten salt breeder reactor doesn't exist

it is

"made op"

yup

[kristopher]

14. That personal attack on Lovins is remarkably similar to right wing attacks on Gore.

We are still waiting for you to discuss matters of substance instead of simply attempting to obstruct discussion with vituperative screeds. The fact that you claimed you were too busy to engage in a fact based exchange while you obviously had plenty of time for personal attacks tells us all a lot about the vacuous nature of your position supporting nuclear power.

Fortunately Lovins' work and success speaks for itself.

BTW, which environmental organizations support an expansion of nuclear power to meet our energy needs?

[jpak]

11. More obsessive complusive ambien-induced hysterical nonsense

*yawn*