"Ridiculously Low" Temperatures Across Britain: -17.3C All-Time Record Low For Wales In November

[hatrack]

Parts of Britain experienced record low temperatures overnight, including minus 17 Celsius in Wales, forecasters said Sunday amid warnings of more heavy snow to come.

"You are seeing some ridiculously low temperatures -- it has been a bit like it is in the middle of Scandinavia," said weather forecaster Michael Dukes.

The temperature in Llysdinam near Llandrindod Wells in Wales plunged to minus 17.3C -- the principality's lowest ever temperature for November and Britain's coldest for the month since 1985.

The Met Office, Britain's national forecaster, issued severe weather warnings Sunday for large chunks of eastern and southern Scotland and eastern England, warning of heavy snowfalls. Ireland also experienced heavy snow and Dublin airport was disrupted, with Finance Minister Brian Lenihan among those delayed as the weather made him late for crucial EU talks in Brussels on an international bailout for his country.

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http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Britain_shivers_in_ridiculously_low_temperatures_999.html

[TrogL]

1. Welcome to climate change

It's not that the weather gets warmer, it gets crazier.

[Systematic Chaos]

2. So then this means global warming really is a hoax, right?

:yoiks:

[lovuian]

3. the conveyor belt is stopped

the Ice Age emerges

[dipsydoodle]

4. Its the jet stream which has changed.

Its slowed down so the peaks are higher. Its dragging cold air in form Scandinavia to meet moist air from the Atlantic and keeping the mix stationary over us.

[OnlinePoker]

5. In October, it was widely reported that this will be the coldest winter in 1000 years in Europe. n/t

[OnlinePoker]

11. Here is an interesting site that shows NOAA global surface temperature anomalies for the past month

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/map/images/fnl/sfctmpmer_01a_30frames.fnl.anim.html

[OnlinePoker]

6. Delete...dupe. n/t

[NickB79]

7. Just as predicted by current theories of global climate change

http://planetark.org/enviro-news/item/60251

"Colder Winters Possible Due To Climate Change: Study

Climate change could lead to colder winters in northern regions, according to a study by the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research on Tuesday.

Vladimir Petoukhov, lead author of the study, said a shrinking of sea ice in the eastern Arctic causes some regional warming of lower air levels and may lead to anomalies in atmospheric airstreams, triggering an overall cooling of the northern continents.

"These anomalies could triple the probability of cold winter extremes in Europe and northern Asia," he said. "Recent severe winters like last year's or the one of 2005/06 do not conflict with the global warming picture but rather supplement it.""


I still want to know if their studies also apply to North America or not.

[starroute]

10. It's been really cold out in Washington State

My kids are there, and they had several inches of snow and temperatures down into the teens -- unusual there even in midwinter and ridiculous for November.

That's a result of La Nina, though. My understanding is that aside from the Pacific coast, most of the US is going to have an average or mild winter.

[reggie the dog]

8. and yet according to nasa this is the hottest year ever in the uk

and according to "met" it is the 2nd warmest ever.....global climate change indeed....wilder swings, bigger storms etc....

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. No, the 'hottest' (or 2nd) figures from NASA and the Met Office are for the world, not the UK

If you look at a weather station in the English Midlands:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/work/gistemp/STATIONS//tmp.651033770000.1.1/station.txt

you see they give a 9.66 degrees C average temperature for Dec 2009-Nov 2010 (this assumes a 6.9 degrees C temperature for November which hasn't quite finished; but you'd need a very warm November to increase the yearly average above, say, 10 centigrade).

So that station has had the coldest year since 1996. And the Met Office average temperatures for the UK show a similar pattern:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/datasets/Tmean/date/UK.txt
They haven't made an estimate for Nov yet, but looking at the figures, this dataset too looks like it'll be the coldest for the country since 1996.

[reggie the dog]

9. we are going on 7 days or so now

with a temperature not getting above 10 c here on the french riviera, i have been cold while out bicycling, since i have lived here i dont remember such a prolonged cold snap with temps really staying at 5 6 or 7 for daytime highs, the lows are on par with the season or even a bit warm (today was the first time it got down below freezing at night and i am 30 miles inland) but the daytime highs are damn low.....

[pscot]

12. Doomer triumphalism

You know it's evil, but it's hard to resist.

[GliderGuider]

23. The three most beautiful words in English are "I love you." The four most beautiful words are

"I told you so."

[joshcryer]

13. This is why scientists started calling it "Climate Change" and not "Global Warming."

While global warming is occurring over decadal timeframes, climate extremes are very noticeable now, today.

[guardian]

14. No.

They started calling it Climate Change because their bogus theories and models of Global Warming were being overcome by events.

[Ghost Dog]

15. The theiroies and models are not certainly bogus.

But efforts led by the scientific community to involve themselves in public perception management and thus to influence political decision-making have, while achieving a degree of success (everybody at least now knows what the issues are), have not been 100% perfect. Which is no surprise: scientists, generally, don't make good politicians.

[joshcryer]

16. Climatologists have been right on the money for over 20 years.

Sorry.

[Nederland]

17. Not true

They over estimated temperature changes and under estimated sea level changes. At this point we have nowhere near enough an accurate understanding of climate to project things accurately. Someday we will, but that day is not soon. Creating accurate climate models is basically an initialization problem.

[joshcryer]

19. They were right about the forcing.

It helps that their error bars are so large.

[Nederland]

20. On that we can agree

The error bars are large, and that helps. However, the reality is that current temps are skating along the very bottom of the 95% CI range of model predictions. With El Nino over and the largest La Nina since 1917 ramping up, actual temps may break out of the 95% CI range in the next two or three years. Time will tell.

[GliderGuider]

22. I understand the interest in error bars and CI's from a scientific perspective

However, from a practical perspective, we have known all we need in order to make decisions about carbon reduction. We've known for the past 5 years. Let the scientists quibble. The rest of us need to get on with reducing our activity, energy and material consumption and carbon emissions as best we can.

Don't we?

[Name removed]

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[NickB79]

25. World feeling the heat as 17 countries experience record temperatures

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/12/heatwave-record-temperatures-world

One country experiences record cold (which is consistent with what the models have predicted) and global warming is bull.

17 countries experience record heat waves (also predicted by climate models), and global warming is still bull?

Astounding show of logical deduction! It's like saying the recession is over when one guy gets a job, while 17 of his buddies just got laid off.

[Prophet 451]

24. But climate change is a myth!

Now excuse me while I go hug the Calor.