Climate Deniers Whining About Being Called "Deniers" - Trenberth Not Changing His Wording - WP

[hatrack]

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The question: Will Trenberth refer to those who disagree with the scientific consensus - that human activities are very likely warming the climate system - as "climate deniers," which he did in an earlier version of his talk, thereby raising an outcry and a fusillade of emails from the climate skeptic blogosphere? he answer: Yes, he most certainly will.

Perhaps it's just human nature to dig in your heels when under attack for holding a particular viewpoint, or maybe Trenberth really believes that it's useful to use the term "denier" when discussing certain people who disagree with him. Whatever the reason or reasons, Trenberth does indeed show a slide entitled "The Deniers" during his wide-ranging talk, which touches upon the changing nature of extreme weather and climate events in a warming climate. Defending his use of a term that many climate change skeptics say they find offensive due to its association with those who deny the Holocaust, Trenberth defiantly tells the audience: "My reaction to some of them is, 'well, if the shoe fits, wear it.'" Trenberth continues, "Indeed they are deniers. They deny rather basic information about climate science." Without going into specifics, he says he does distinguish between "climate skeptics" and "climate deniers."

Trenberth notes that, leading up to the AMS meeting, he received hundreds of angry, and occasionally even threatening emails regarding his presentation. These emails arrived in his inbox after two popular climate skeptic websites - Climate Depot, which is the climate skeptic equivalent of the Drudge Report, and Watts Up With That - harshly criticized him for his use of the term (among other things). Both sites published his email address and encouraged readers to contact him regarding the upcoming presentation.

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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2011/02/cooling_off_the_heated_climate.html

[yellowcanine]

1. The "research funding" part is the most egregious red herring.

Climate scientists don't have to report certain results in order to get research funding. Doing good science is what generates research funding. If they did an experiment and showed that global warming was not caused by humans they wouldn't get less research funding. They might even get more because they had found something which contradicted the current understanding of global warming. Apparently significant finds generates research money. Google and read the story of "cold fusion" or Pons and Fleischmann if you want to see how it works.

[jimlup]

4. It's also interesting that those that make this claim

are blind to the obvious dirty-energy corporate funding of climate denialist.

[txlibdem]

6. Darn right. They're not "grass roots" they're astroturf!

And yet the double-digit-IQ crowd eats their shit right up.
=====> How to deal with climate change deniers, from TheSecondCityNetwork (it's all in fun).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5nNbPWYHOA

"Wind power will never provide more than a tiny fraction of our energy."
=====> On April 22, 2010, wind provided 22% of Texas' energy needs - and would have done more but the power lines weren't upgraded to handle all that power, they had to shut down the wind generators because they were providing too much electrical power! ! !
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=texas-lassoed-the-wind
=====> The first wind power turbine was built in 1888. That's right, 1888. And the first use of wind mills to pump water was 3000 years ago! "We got this."
http://www.ieee.org/portal/ieeetv/viewer.html?progId=77479

Solar is just a "flash in the pan."
=====> An area of land 200 miles by 200 miles would provide all the energy needs of America. I'll make that trade!
http://www.needearth.com/ideas.jsp?s=18
=====> China is now the global leader in solar panel manufacturing, makes 35% to 40% of solar panels in the world. 60 to 70% of the jobs will always be local, even if the panel is made in China; installers jobs are local jobs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LxM2skgfQo
=====> Shade, dust or debris on even one panel will seriously degrade output from the entire string? Not anymore.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEKX_bJ70BU&feature=related

Climate Patriots:
=====> Our national security is at risk because of our dependence on foreign oil. Military personnel are giving us the proof.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjS9pU0y_JU

[yellowcanine]

7. I am with you except for the "double digit IQ' insult. That's offensive.

It is not people of low IQ who are doing the climate denying.
People with low IQ need to be allowed to contributed to society according to their ability, not insulted by being lumped in with intellectual frauds.

[Nihil]

9. It's also accurate a lot of the time.

> It is not people of low IQ who are doing the climate denying.

Half right: it is not JUST people of low IQ who are doing the climate denying.

> People with low IQ need to be allowed to contributed to society according
> to their ability, ...

True.

> ... not insulted by being lumped in with intellectual frauds.

And when the people of low IQ choose to go along with the intellectual frauds,
providing mass & volume to support the frauds who are lacking in both, then
they need to be called on it, not given a free pass for reasons of pure
politically correct "kindness".

The information is being put out there every day at every level - from the actual
papers for those who understand the field through summaries & articles for the
general public to the simplified versions that are suitable for lower school
children and adults who wish to learn. If people *choose* to go with the deniers,
the liers and the corporate-sponsored con-men, they need to be made aware of
their error, not just allowed to go their own little way in the world with a
pat on the head and the equivalent of "go play in the daisies as you don't
count anyway".

[caraher]

2. They should be flattered with the label "deniers"

rather than "cranks"

[guardian]

3. No surprise. I expect nothing less from a "doomer" n/t

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[jpak]

8. Boo Hoo hoooo!!!11

:rofl:

Good for Trenworth

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