From Antiwar.com: Think Iranian Nuclear Power Crazy? Think again.

[NNadir]

"Iranian Nuclear Power Crazy? Think Again

by Gordon Prather
Sir David King, her majesty's chief scientist, has declared "global warming" to be a more serious threat to mankind than international terrorism. Hans Blix, former director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, concurs.

James Lovelock, father of the Gaia hypothesis, thinks King and Blix – if anything – still underestimate the seriousness of the "global warming threat."

So serious that Lovelock now urges the fastest possible substitution of nuclear energy for "fossil" fuels:

"Opposition to nuclear energy is based on irrational fear fed by Hollywood-style fiction, the Green lobbies, and the media. These fears are unjustified, and nuclear energy from its start in 1952 has proved to be the safest of all energy sources.

"I am a Green, and I entreat my friends in the movement to drop their wrongheaded objection to nuclear energy. Even if they were right about its dangers – and they are not – its worldwide use as our main source of energy would pose an insignificant threat compared with the dangers of intolerable and lethal heat waves and sea levels rising to drown every coastal city of the world...""

http://www.antiwar.com/prather/?articleid=6131

http://www.ecolo.org/media/articles/articles.in.english/love-indep-24-05-04.htm

Lately we get a regular twit threads started where radiation paranoids search frantically for every radioactive nucleus on earth, offering us in updated terms, that bit from General Jack T. Ripper:

http://www.whysanity.net/monos/strangelove2.html

Probably in one or two of these cases raised by radiation paranoid twits, there is some minor risk involved to a few individuals, but as the case is made at antiwar.com, none of these risks can compare to the increasingly certain catastrophe that will happen unless we in the United States -the world's worst greenhouse gas polluter at least until its impending economic collapse is realized - embraces our nuclear power success of the last half of the twentieth century.

Actually, I don't think there is really time or money left here to do this, we are an impoverished nation that now must pay for its ignorance, but to the extent possible, we must still try.

[jpak]

1. Right - the Good Mullahs are a'fightin' global warming!!!!

:rofl:

They're building their nuclear infrastructure as part of their Kyoto Treaty commitments!!!!

:rofl:

The North Koreans too!!!!!

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and Pakistan!!!!

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and India!!!!!

:rofl:

They're all fightin' global warming with their "peaceful" nucular power programs!!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Lovelock doesn't speak for the "Greens". He speaks for himself.

Oh yeah, his Gaia Hypothesis was vetted and rejected by the biogeochemistry community (there were several international symposia dedicated to examining the Gaia Hypothesis and Lovelock got a royal spanking at each one of them).

He was just plain wrong on Gaia, and he is just plain wrong on nuclear power and global warming.

[NNadir]

2. Let's see, let's compare India's smallest nuclear plant to world solar

capacity, even as measured in the phony "mega watts" that anti-environmental anti-nuclear twits use when misrepresenting what they can do about global climate change.

Here is the 97 "megawatts" installed world wide in solar fantasy land, operating at 12% capacity representing the 50 biggest (fraudulently rated) solar stations on earth:

http://www.pvresources.com/en/top50pv.php

Here is the tiny nuclear plant in India, the plant at Tarapur, which has two 160 MWe boiling water reactors operating at 99% of rating capacity, 24 hours a day, 365.25 days a year.

Each of these tiny reactors produces 6 times the total output of the earth's supply of solar PV plants, and this after 40 years of bad, bad, bad scary evil gee I'm paranoid press about the nuclear industry from scientific illiterates and 40 years of solar will save the day, solar is sexy, "we promise that solar power will be cheap some day" bullshit fantasy hype.

Of course the Indians live close to Bangladesh, and unlike Greenpeace drunks and illiterates, they know about poverty.

If I were trying to defend a failed industry like the solar PV industry, that worldwide can't even produce as much as the smallest nuclear plant in a third world country, I'd probably get drunk and roll around on the floor giggling insipidly too. What the fuck, it certainly wouldn't effect the credibility of a vapid argument.

[jpak]

4. Global PV production is growing exponentially at ~30-40% per year

and will produce ~1250 MW of modules this year alone.

Current global demand has (temporarily) out stripped supply.

So much for the "failed" industry claim...

:rofl:

When our pro-nuclear power president attacks Iran's "peaceful" nucular infrastructure, oil prices will skyrocket and everyone - especially the poor - will suffer.

If Iran and North Korea were building PV arrays and wind farms - no one would give a shit.

Finally, how much of all that marvelous nuclear generated electricity makes to the rural poor in India and Pakistan?????

Clue: little to none - their electrical grids are completely inadequate and millions of rural poor in South Asia lack access to their national electrical grids.

And how many multi-billion dollar nuclear reactors can Bangladesh afford????

How 'bout Haiti or the Dominican Republic????

Mauritania????

Rwanda???

Ecuador???

Belize????

Ivory Coast????

Don't know???

DIDN'T THINK SO

:rofl:

[NNadir]

7. Exponentially eh? Think you'll get another 25 real watts this year?

Double capacity, eh?

Of course, looking at the California production, where solar energy lost 12% of it's (already miniscule) output, and is now heading in a post peak direction, maybe the "exponential" function you're modelling your failed industry on is the gaussian function.

Lets look: http://www.energy.ca.gov/electricity/electricity_generation.html

Solar power 2000, 860 gigawatt-hours solar representing 0.31% of the state's energy demand. In 2003, solar power fell to 759 gigawatt-hours, or 0.27%. Yeah, that solar industry is going stop global climate change in its tracks.

[jpak]

9. LOL!!!!!

http://www.solarbuzz.com/USGridConnect2005.htm

<snip>

51 Megawatts of grid-connected solar photovoltaics (PV) were installed in the United States in 2004. This represents growth of 38% over 2003 installations of 37 Megawatts.

<snip>

Read it and weep

http://www.earth-policy.org/Indicators/2004/indicator12.htm

Nice try, but reality trumps Larouchian wack-job bullshit every time...

[hankthecrank]

3. You make a poor salesman

But I think you really don't care about nuclear power.

You really just want to call us twits. I'm not sure but that's not working.

You should work on your people skills some. Honey works better than sharp stick to the eye. Also take your radio into the shop because it only seems to work on send.

Maybe people would trusts nuclear power more. If right after a problem they didn't claim no leaks so fast. Even before they have had time to test. That makes me want to fight them for sure.

If you really want to save the planet as you say you do. Some times the message will sink in better if you don't pound it in with a jack hammer. Its like soup has to simmer for awhile.

I care about this planet allot but its not going to last. Man's greed just can't let him see past his nose. So cut down that last tree and last blade of grass. May be what comes after us will do a better job of taking care of the planet.

Yes and I need to work on my english and spelling sorry! Also my people skills are also lacking. My math sucks too. But I'm really good at reading between the lines. I'm also good at checking problems from all angles.

[phantom power]

5. How do you "check problems from all angles" without math?

[hankthecrank]

6. Very easy

Problems

Engines some times come up with faults. You check the history of the fault. Some times faults come in pairs. You check to see if the faults point back to first fault. Because what you need to do is fix problem not the result. Sorry no math. Fixing just the result will only let the first problem come back. Is that clear.

[NNadir]

8. I'm impressed.

I'm especially enlightened to learn I don't really like nuclear power.

You never know what you're gonna learn. :-)