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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:09 PM Original message |
Economic decline as a solution to global warming |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. I like graphs, but not feeding straight into right-wing talking points |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I thought reality had a well-known liberal bias... |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
3. Even without the graph the conclusions are largely supportable, except... |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 05:49 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. You yourself have said that we can't get there by 2030 with renewables. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Why won't it happen? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I come back to a very simple underlying point. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Then you don't understand Harris. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. And you don't understand simple ideas. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Let's see what is meant by "action" |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. A thought just occurred to me |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. The alternative ARE available. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. We may have different definitions of the word "available". |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. That's absurd. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. You're pretty quick to take offense, pardner. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 12:57 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Deloitte: 'A Domestic Energy Roadmap Is Emerging' |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. What does this say to me? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. My point is also made in an article linked here |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
4. Thank you for that provocative post. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:32 AM Response to Reply #4 |
16. Markets |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. What "fundamental obstacles" are you talking about? nt |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Peak Oil for instance, or |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
40. The Magician |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. I agree, enough is enough. |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I was thinking something similar today. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 06:34 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Imperialism of the East |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 02:20 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Wow - you're talking about the political ramifications of consciousness of unity |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Yes, perzackly. "The political ramifications of the consciousness of unity" is right. |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-05-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Eastern Ideas have been managing to become |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-30-11 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
5. I'm right there with you, GliderGuider... |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 06:29 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. It's fascinating how hard people resist acknowledging the facts that are staring them in the face... |
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Bill USA (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-04-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
54. people are refusing to face the rising price of oil and what it will do our economy |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
6. Where did your plot come from? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 05:32 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. World GDP is a commonly accepted term |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 08:42 AM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Your conclusion is unfounded. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Hydro and nuclear haven't helped so far |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. During solar eclipses, some pregnant women in rural Mexico |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. We'll see what happens when nuclear companies try to put shovels in the ground. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
7. And if that doesn't work peak oil will get us. |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
8. The non crash solution |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 01:40 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Nuclear energy is not "the only alternative presently available" and you know it. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 06:21 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Deleted message |
notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 07:44 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I see that |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. And some people have a problem acknowledging the truth. Where is your evidence? |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. "peer reviewed" |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. So you have no sources where an academic is willing to lay their name on the line... |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. I do not share your worship of academia |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Meaning you cannot support your statement. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 06:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Nuclear power fails on any number of counts: |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 11:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
41. It took France 15 years to go nearly all nuclear |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-01-11 05:55 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. The basis for the assumption is the shift in public opinion since then. nt |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 02:49 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Is that all that has changed since then? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-02-11 08:26 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Public opinion can always change, of course. |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-31-11 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
20. You GO, GG! |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
50. So how many people do you expect to die? |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-03-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. It all depends on how long the global economy stays in depression. |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Eventually everybody dies. |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-06-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Food, energy, economics and social stability are inextricably bound together. |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-09-11 07:02 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Maybe the reduction of CO2 emissions aren't worth it |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-09-11 07:43 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Oh, I don't think we'll be reducing CO2 emissions at all. |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-10-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. CO2 emissions per capita |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-10-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Of course I'm predicting more poverty. |
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