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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 02:08 PM
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ClearEdge Home Power Generation System Now in California
Edited on Sat Sep-24-11 02:08 PM by HysteryDiagnosis
http://betterthansolar.clearedgepower.com/?s=go+bannerad&gclid=CKbxgf_JtqsCFdw32godxgdjfA

The ClearEdge5 is less expensive to install, less expensive to operate and more efficient than solar panels. In fact, it is more practical and economical than all other clean energy solutions on the market. The ClearEdge5 works around the clock, in all kinds of weather and pays for itself typically in 3 to 5 years — up to 3 times faster than an investment in solar panels.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 02:41 PM
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1. Cleanedge5 costs $50,000.00
I don't believe there is much more to say about it ....
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 03:00 PM
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2. The following article contains a great write-up of the relative merits of fuel cells
Edited on Sat Sep-24-11 03:00 PM by kristopher
Admittedly it is about the BloomBox - you remember the hoopla last year - but it provides information and an excellent overview of the general claims that accompany fuel cells and how those claims check out.

The first section is a description of the current status of BloomBox followed by a direct comparison of a distributed, traditional co-generation system.

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/Bloom-Energy-Delaware-and-Cogeneration-Reality/
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 03:38 PM
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4. From your link:
When you splash on the scene like the Kleiner Perkins and NEA-funded Bloom Energy, making bold pronouncements about power costs and energy security, one has to expect a bit of a spotlight to continue to shine on the hype. Especially when you're working on a 150-year-old technology that has yet to yield a profitable fuel cell company.

Hopefully this trend cannot/will not be reversed.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/292407-fuelcell-energy-looks-like-a-short-term-opportunity
Fuel cell companies have lost investors a lot of money over the past ten years. Sky high expectations and valuations led to some spectacular disappointments and losses, but it seems like there is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. Pure play public fuel cell companies are still losing money but the losses are shrinking as the companies reduce their costs, build production volumes, and narrow their focus to a smaller number of applications that are getting traction in the market.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 04:21 PM
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5. Everyone should look at the link and the table comparing fuel cell to cogen
It's at the end of the article in this section:
System Performance Comparisons
The white paper performs a comparison between installing a single 100-kilowatt Bloom unit and a 100-kilowatt cogen system, both operating on natural gas at a facility currently purchasing its electricity and natural gas for its boilers from Pacific Gas & Electric (PG&E), and evaluates each system’s effect on net site CO2 emissions...

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/Bloom-Energy-Delaware-and-Cogeneration-Reality/


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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 03:37 PM
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3. it's natural gas basically
just a bit juiced up
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