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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 05:53 PM Original message |
Urban 'heat island' effect is only a small contributor to global warming, and white roofs don't help |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. White roofs won't decrease global warming? O RLY?? |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. You've pointed out the limitation of this paper's results... |
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marybourg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Yes. Here in AZ they've been touted as a remedy for our |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Painting roofs white has been suggested as a method of geoengineering by increasing global albedo |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. neither of the articles suggest the albedo increase from white roofs would have global significance |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 08:22 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Seriously? They don’t? Would you like something a little more explicit? |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 08:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Did you read the article? |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Did you read it? |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Jacobson and Ten Hoeve are showing a problem with Akbari's approach |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. The OP also shows that painting roofs white won’t help cool the planet |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. The Jacobson & Ten Hoeve paper IS the study in the OP |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. ...or, more precisely, whether the scientific articles actually claimed that it would. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. 1/2 of 1% of Earth's non-ice surface is covered with urban surfaces |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Well, no, that would be less precisely |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Now where I have heard this before? |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Others, like Akbari you mean |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Kaarsberg and Akbari, 2006 — COOL ROOFS COOL THE PLANET |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
4. The Abstract |
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Fledermaus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-19-11 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
6. Its only a small effect when you don't live in a large city. |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
10. Skeptics have been saying this for years |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Yawn |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Brilliant rebuttal there Viking12 |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Given the information in the thread above... |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. I guess that easier then explaining a contradiction |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. It is clearly explained above. |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I could explain it to you but you wouldn't understand. |
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The Croquist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Just like you can't understand that thermometer location isn't influencing the global temperature re |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. It's alive! |
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OKIsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. You may find this paper helpful |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Oh, snap! |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. or any of these... |
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